The Doctor In The TARDIS

Ok, so we know now for sure that she has been taken, but the big question is 'who did it?'

My thoughts are that it is the monks from that picture Roranicus posted a few days back. I've seen a few people mention the Silents, but I don't think they are involved here.

Who do you think took her and why?

My thoughts are the Hooded Men. I haven't resolved quite when in my head but I'm leaning more towards them than the Silence.

As for why? Not sure - revenge, leverage, because they could. I don't know. It's certainly something I'll be pondering for a while.

I think the Silents are going to end up being nothing but pawns for the hooded monks, like we aint seen nothing yet and they are the ones behind everything

This could turn into a game of Cluedo!

Right okay, lemme think...

I accuse the hooded men, in The Big Bang with the Pandorica!  :P

Just excuse my randomness tonight!

Not so random - that's one of the ideas I had been toying with myself  :)

Well there is the theory that the hooded men were in TPO/TBB, so perhaps it really does go that far back. Maybe they somehow replaced her while she was sitting in the Pandorica for 2000 years

oh they are, you can see them!  :)

We don't know for sure that it is them though, just that it could be

I think its the monks too. Its the only new thing coming in to play next week as far as we know and they seem sort of evil

The problem with that is whether Ganger Amy could have recreated the universe.  I suspect it was in the orphanage.

Can I point out that back in the eleventh hour a shadow passes across the screen as they turn to the garden when it jumps forward 12years ;)

they being the camera of course

Moff said that was meant to be the Doctor. It was supposed to be elaborated on further when he was going back through his life in TBB but the scene ended up cut so it was left to us to interperate, but it was supposed to be the Doctor

 :P Not canonised open for interpretation, Moff lies

Fine, I'll take you back further - End of Time, shadowy figures in the church

Too far fetched! I can sort of see TBB being referenced, if indeed those shadows were deliberate, but I would bet my life on it being nothing to do with TEOT

The Big Bang ones were definite, you can see the cloak swish

I'd love TEOT to be that back dated :P

I'm not sure I've rewatched TEOT more than once.... Not a fan

Oh I'm not saying that there isn't someone there. It definately looks like there is, but that doesn't necessarily mean that they were intended to be seen/in shot. Sometimes these things just slip through. Its just as likely that they were prophands supporting the set that got caught moving in shot but was missed in P-P. Like what supposedly happened with Rory's badge

Ok, which bit are you referring to?

Oh sorry, I meant the shadows in TPO/TBB

Nah, too many, the shadows/mummies move about 2/3 times and you see a cloak move out of shot

From what I saw, there looked to be two max. As I said, I don't doubt they were there, I'm just not certain it means anything. As I said, production errors, like with Rory's badge, happen. And other times when things are meant to mean something, like with the shadow at the window, time constraints mean they are left open ended, so even if the shadows were meant to mean something it doesnt mean for sure that it will ever be brought up again.

The reason I think its probably nothing is because it is hardly even noticeable. Unless you slow the scene right down and grab caps like you did, most people don't even know they are there, whereas the shadow at the window, although never really addressed again, was plainly obvious without us working out what it was meant to be. Sometimes things can be overly subtle

 :-\ I never managed to screen grab the cloak I think

- Withdrawing from this conversation

Oh, I'm not sure if you got the grabs yourself, but you posted them on the forum a while back. The ones where the shadows are in the museum sort of behind and to the right of the Pandorica. That's how I noticed they were there in the first place, because you pointed them out

Grabs I do alot, rarely use other peoples, only occasionally, though those might not have been mine, I can't remember, was back referencing my old forum... No idea

I think this is the thread that Exterminate is referring to

http://thedoctorinthetardis.freesmfhosting.com/index.php/topic,1220.0.html

Yea that was the picture I meant :)

aye, not mine, though I do have the TBB screenies saved elsewhere :)

I think its most likely orchastrated by the Silents, even if we don't end up seeing them directly

I think they are vital even if they aren't in charge.... There were several moments in the last series where Amy could have potentially have seen the Silence, the most pressing is the fact she pressed random buttons on the console, might not have been directly the silence but someone with similar mind control type things

If you ask me, the alliance of the Doctor's enemies have her. I think all of them have been manipulated by the Silence - just like the human race were manipulated - to play a specific part in the plot. For example, the Sontarans, as a clone race, are masters of cloning technology; so maybe they created the Flesh Amy in a way that neither the Doctor nor the TARDIS could detect. Maybe the Silurians designed the technology that impregnated her, thanks to their advanced medical knowledge even in the 21st century - who knows what century the ones in the Alliance are from, after all.

I'm thinking I might need to take another Cluedo guess...

I accuse the Silents in the room with Amy in 'The Day of the Moon'...

After reading something else around here... I donno it seems another possible option :/

I think the Silents are definately behind it all. I don't know if we will see them again yet, but I definately think they had a hand in all this

Unless its a double bluff though, which is entirely possible, they are helping the Doctor out. It could be that they are all pretending to help as their way of getting to her too. Perhaps all the races want her for whatever reason and they are all out for themselves, but pretending to help the Doctor as their way of getting to her. I mean, there has to be more too it. Why would they even care if she lives or dies otherwise. Its not like they are old buds