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Title: Dislike for Amy Pond
Post by: BlueRose on September 07, 2010, 06:20:20 pm
She had all of two facial expressions in TEH, one wide eyed and the other blank. She appeared to gain a third in TBB, something akin to a cross between being bored, being bitchy, and possibly needing a laxative. I couldn't tell.

In all seriousness, the total lack of character evolution and development is one of the reasons why I don't like Twilight and I really had hoped for better in the latest reboot of the show. Lots of things happen but the characters never change, they don't grow, they don't improve--they don't really appear to learn anything new. Yet we watched Rose transform from an underachieving retail worker to someone capable of working at Torchwood, an insecure medical student into a bad-assed UNIT employee, and a cynical temp who started looking up at the sky at night in wonder versus watching her favorite soaps.

Whatever happened to the concept of the Doctor making people better? I really would've loved to have seen some genuine depth for this gal who showed up as a kissogram, but I actually found myself liking her better as a child back when she was Amelia.

Am I alone in thinking that merely being bitchy and shouty doesn't make one "feisty" and this was some weird attempt at a very pale version of Donna meets Rose?


Title: Re: Dislike for Amy Pond
Post by: fandamnation on September 07, 2010, 06:25:42 pm
I said this in another thread, but I have not warmed to Amy at all.

I preferred her as the little girl!

You're so right about character evolvement - I don't want to sit and watch a Mary Sue who can immediately do everything and do it well in a short skirt.

She grew up sheltered and waiting for this 'raggedy doctor' - why don't they show an older girl who is a consequence of that? Someone fearful, and isolated and insecure. Then gradually build her up experiencing all the things she dreamed about? They could have done SO MUCH with that idea.

Part of what makes Donna's story so tragic is that the person she became - the person the Doctor showed her who she could be - was lost to her forever. That person was brought to light slowly, through adventures and experiences.

And just...ugh. The kissogram thing? Really? Is this just an excuse to put her in sexy outfits? WTF.


Title: Re: Dislike for Amy Pond
Post by: BlueRose on September 07, 2010, 06:29:59 pm
She grew up sheltered and waiting for this 'raggedy doctor' - why don't they show an older girl who is a consequence of that? Someone fearful, and isolated and insecure. Then gradually build her up experiencing all the things she dreamed about? They could have done SO MUCH with that idea.

This. I'd say she's second to Martha on wasted, underused potential. But even Martha evolved. :(


Title: Re: Dislike for Amy Pond
Post by: Seren_y_Gogledd on September 07, 2010, 07:44:10 pm
One thing I really don't like about Amy is how she treats the men in her life. First throwing herself at the Doctor on the eve of her wedding (not just that, but carrying on when he's clearly not interested and tried to stop her). Then later with Rory, calling him an idiot and, even after losing him and being lucky to have him back from the dead, what does she do at their wedding reception? Try to kiss the Doctor in front of him. I have a feeling that, were these scenes gender-flipped, there'd have been outrage.


Title: Re: Dislike for Amy Pond
Post by: The Doc on September 07, 2010, 07:48:06 pm
I dont hate Amy, but I am very much on the fence with her. She had the makings of such a great character, but it seems like Moff wanted to make her as one dimensional as possible. In her defense she had some great moments, but the 'shouty pouty' side that kept coming through became very grating at times and it got to the point where you stopped expecting anything of the character because you got so used to seeing the same thing over and over. I won't knock Karen as an actress because I think that given the right scripts and a satisfactory character development then she would have had more scope to breathe in the role, and make the character better, but when the script continuously calls for 'glares at the Doctor' or 'pouts at Rory' then there is only so much you can do.


Title: Re: Dislike for Amy Pond
Post by: Vampyros Adric on September 08, 2010, 09:49:50 pm
I gotta agree. I am not a fan of hers. I am sure she is designed to appeal to a certain demographic but it is not mine. The 'shouty-pouty' routine was tired when she did it in 11th Hour - by the time it got to TBB I was just plain bored of her. I didn't warm to her. I don't blame Karen Gillen - there is only so much you can do with what you're given, but Amy has been the biggest contributing factor to my mixed feelings about s. 5. I want to love it, i really do. But Amy Pond is just dislikable.


Title: Re: Dislike for Amy Pond
Post by: chrissymarieb on September 09, 2010, 11:20:59 am
I don't 'hate' her, but I will agree that she pretty much has a one-note performance.  Not sure if that is her fault or the way her character is written but it is what it is.  I think that Rory is a better companion :)


Title: Re: Dislike for Amy Pond
Post by: BlueRose on September 09, 2010, 08:52:05 pm
Supposedly this will be changing:

http://news.whoviannet.co.uk/2010/09/amy-a-completely-different-person-in-series-6/ (http://news.whoviannet.co.uk/2010/09/amy-a-completely-different-person-in-series-6/)

Cynical me sez, "Yup, I bet she'll get good...right in time for people to actually miss her when she goes."

Le sigh.


Title: Re: Dislike for Amy Pond
Post by: TheDoctorDonna on September 10, 2010, 07:48:37 am
I think she still has time to win people over if she changes but Moff needs to tread carefully with her character next series and work on developing her more


Title: Re: Dislike for Amy Pond
Post by: DAK on September 11, 2010, 11:13:12 pm
I don't hate the character, but I think the writing for her has been inconsistent.  I liked her in the latter half of the season, but in the earlier episodes she really grated on me.  Whining about being taken to an alien museum?  Really?!  I'd be thrilled to go in her place!


Title: Re: Dislike for Amy Pond
Post by: The Doc on September 11, 2010, 11:29:58 pm
I liked her in the first episode, but it went downhill after that. I do think it picked up again for her towards the end though.


Title: Re: Dislike for Amy Pond
Post by: BlueRose on November 13, 2010, 02:32:30 pm
She had all of two facial expressions in the first ep and I found her as the child Amelia far, far more likable. Then I saw the season finale and found she evolved a *little* bit...to three facial expressions.

I'm not big on the pouty-shouty thing and she seems to be mostly a ploy to get the 18-25 male audience to watch the show.

Am I alone? I really had hoped for far better and I don't know if it was the writing, the actress, or both. But I really think she set back women in scifi a number of decades. :(


Title: Re: Dislike for Amy Pond
Post by: TheDoctorDonna on November 14, 2010, 12:40:20 pm
Im on the fence with this. The character has the potential for greatness, but I think she has been written dreadfully. I wont call the actress or her acting into question, this isnt the place, but I do think Moff ballsed up with her. Particularly in the early half of the series


Title: Re: Dislike for Amy Pond
Post by: Kazairl on November 14, 2010, 12:49:44 pm
I agree with this! I wish they had kept Amy as a child, she was far more likeable :p
Something that I noticed with Amy was that she said quite often "I can't"... Terrible.
I always dread watching s5 because of her... A pity.


Title: Re: Dislike for Amy Pond
Post by: BlueRose on November 14, 2010, 02:54:27 pm
Im on the fence with this. The character has the potential for greatness, but I think she has been written dreadfully. I wont call the actress or her acting into question, this isnt the place, but I do think Moff ballsed up with her. Particularly in the early half of the series

Her background was utterly fascinating, but her character was just 2D for me to really like, and what traits were there weren't very likeable.


Title: Re: Dislike for Amy Pond
Post by: Exterminate on November 14, 2010, 08:26:54 pm
Wrong thread sorry :)


Title: Re: Dislike for Amy Pond
Post by: BlueRose on November 20, 2010, 12:51:15 pm
Question is, is she redeemable? Or beyond hope at this point?


Title: Re: Dislike for Amy Pond
Post by: sleekituk on December 05, 2010, 11:23:06 pm
Beyond redemption for me, I don't think the actress has the chops to deliver the sort of perfomance required to turn my opinion of the character around.  With River, at least I think Alex Kingston could, but the writers won't deliver that.  Amy has made me like season 2 Rose, I never thoiught I'd type that!  :o


Title: Re: Dislike for Amy Pond
Post by: BlueRose on December 06, 2010, 04:45:08 pm
Beyond redemption for me, I don't think the actress has the chops to deliver the sort of perfomance required to turn my opinion of the character around.  With River, at least I think Alex Kingston could, but the writers won't deliver that.  Amy has made me like season 2 Rose, I never thoiught I'd type that!  :o

Yeah, I'm afraid I'm with you there--on all counts.


Title: Re: Dislike for Amy Pond
Post by: BlueRose on March 13, 2011, 05:25:17 pm
Was going on and on in the Amelia love thread, but I really loved the writing for the child far better than the adult version. A shame, really....


Title: Re: Dislike for Amy Pond
Post by: Team Hotch on March 18, 2011, 09:16:30 pm
I never warmed to her either. Liked her at first but there was just nothing much after that. Agree with one of the above posters that i dont like the fact she can do everything first time.


Title: Re: Dislike for Amy Pond
Post by: MandyDuchovney on March 22, 2011, 11:25:17 am
I don't normally indulge in the 'loathing' side of fandom but this woman is really winding me up >:(

I keep expecting - hoping even - that something will happen to redeem her but after the albeit lightweight but nevertheless infuriating comic relief mini episodes I am officially calling it.

Amy has to be the worst companion of anyone let alone the Doctor >:(


Title: Re: Dislike for Amy Pond
Post by: BlueRose on March 22, 2011, 12:43:27 pm
Yeah, that was my last straw too. If they were even TRYING to make her into anything other than an obvious ploy for **** 18-25 year old males, they've failed...on top of which, they've set back women in scifi at least two decades.


Title: Re: Dislike for Amy Pond
Post by: MandyDuchovney on March 22, 2011, 01:25:38 pm
Karen is an attractive woman - just her presence in the show should be enough to satisfy any 'cravings' shall we say for the dads etc but this INSISTENCE on using the character to point out the obvious is really growing very tired.  >:(

Considering what the character has gone through/experienced she doesn't appear to be showing ANY signs of wisdom or dare I say it of developing a character. In fact she had more as Amelia. ???


What is more galling is that kids/young women are looking up to the character because of her association with the Doctor. A generation that believe the likes of Amy Pond is COOL/worthy of emulation.

Dear God ::)








Title: Re: Dislike for Amy Pond
Post by: chrissymarieb on March 22, 2011, 02:06:44 pm
I don't hate Amy per se, but I will say that having a daughter makes you look at things a different way.  As in, not just entertainment as Mandy said above.  There is the ability to be a role model.  I would have no problem with my daughter, once she is older, watching Rose, Martha, or Donna.  But I am not thrilled with the idea of her watching Amy and suddenly wanting to wear a really short skirt. 


Title: Re: Dislike for Amy Pond
Post by: MandyDuchovney on March 22, 2011, 03:09:41 pm
Ah...I wasn't actually querying Amy as a role model in respect of her clothing. I am a firm believer that people - regardless of sex/gender - should dress/attire themselves as they see fit. My daughter wears a short skirt - so do I but we both also have a sense of self worth /of how we wish to be treated/treat others.

No - my problem is Amy's character. Or lack of it. How she is depicted. She is used as a source of innuendo/depicted as a 'tease' for want of a better word. Her character allows that to be - not what she wears.


Title: Re: Dislike for Amy Pond
Post by: BlueRose on March 22, 2011, 03:11:11 pm
Mandy nails it. It's crap like this which keeps turning me off to the new show. :(


Title: Re: Dislike for Amy Pond
Post by: MandyDuchovney on March 22, 2011, 04:34:28 pm
It would take a lot more than this to put me off the show :) Besides companions tend to come and go ;)


Title: Re: Dislike for Amy Pond
Post by: BlueRose on March 22, 2011, 04:37:58 pm
It would take a lot more than this to put me off the show :) Besides companions tend to come and go ;)

I've admittedly tried and am trying but when I intensely dislike two of the major chars, it makes it hard. :-/


Title: Re: Dislike for Amy Pond
Post by: MandyDuchovney on March 22, 2011, 04:43:50 pm
It would take a lot more than this to put me off the show :) Besides companions tend to come and go ;)

I've admittedly tried and am trying but when I intensely dislike two of the major chars, it makes it hard. :-/

Ah yes. Sorry I forgot about your dislike of River as well.  :(


Title: Re: Dislike for Amy Pond
Post by: BlueRose on March 22, 2011, 04:54:34 pm
It would take a lot more than this to put me off the show :) Besides companions tend to come and go ;)

I've admittedly tried and am trying but when I intensely dislike two of the major chars, it makes it hard. :-/

Ah yes. Sorry I forgot about your dislike of River as well.  :(

And given how much of the new show is surrounding these two chars...yeah. :(


Title: Re: Dislike for Amy Pond
Post by: MandyDuchovney on March 23, 2011, 01:01:42 pm
Well...not that anything has been confirmed..but there have been the rumours going round that this is The Ponds last series and with The Moff stating that River's identity is to be revealed there is every possibility that series 6 may be the journeys end for both characters.

Pun fully intended ;)


Title: Re: Dislike for Amy Pond
Post by: BlueRose on March 23, 2011, 02:41:55 pm
Well...not that anything has been confirmed..but there have been the rumours going round that this is The Ponds last series and with The Moff stating that River's identity is to be revealed there is every possibility that series 6 may be the journeys end for both characters.

Pun fully intended ;)

I could hope. I enjoyed Pandorica Opens and plan to do a marathon of S5 over the weekend. I'm just tired of the sexism, the wifey crap, and wish Amy had been a far better and more developed character, and a likable one at that.

I was starting to miss Rose and I had already had Rose burnout, where do I begin? :(


Title: Re: Dislike for Amy Pond
Post by: MandyDuchovney on March 24, 2011, 03:53:00 pm
Rose at least had some redeeming features however much of an irritant she became. The same cannot be said for Amy - her motivations seem to be totally selfish.

The Doctor treats her like a well loved precocious child which is equally annoying - with all that has happened she should have at least grown up a little but she hasn't and the fact that the Doctor and Rory continue to placate her really doesn't make much sense.

I'm kind of hoping series 6 will put all this to rights - one way or another :)



Title: Re: Dislike for Amy Pond
Post by: BlueRose on March 24, 2011, 03:54:51 pm
Rose at least had some redeeming features however much of an irritant she became. The same cannot be said for Amy - her motivations seem to be totally selfish.

The Doctor treats her like a well loved precocious child which is equally annoying - with all that has happened she should have at least grown up a little but she hasn't and the fact that the Doctor and Rory continue to placate her really doesn't make much sense.

I'm kind of hoping series 6 will put all this to rights - one way or another :)

You summed my feelings pretty well. I truly don't understand why people like her. She had all of two facial expressions in the first ep then maybe three in the last eps. I just find her bland and annoying at best.


Title: Re: Dislike for Amy Pond
Post by: MandyDuchovney on March 24, 2011, 11:51:16 pm
From what I can tell people like her because she's young feisty and has long legs :D

Donna took no nonsense from the Doctor and went from being a superficial trite self absorbed irritation to a warm compassionate human being with a deep love and understanding of 10. There was true respect/friendship between them and both benefited from the experience. I see no evidence of this with Amy.

I can understand the Doctor being drawn to Amelia but aside from curiousity as to what surrounded Amy I am at a loss as to why he would continue to have her travel with him. Especially after she got her family back and married  Rory. He's left companions behind for less :-X

That aside I always assumed Amy's two dimensional character was deliberate - as a result of the crack in time -
with the airing of the christmas specials/mini episodes I've had to put that theory to rest :(


Title: Re: Dislike for Amy Pond
Post by: The Pandorica Master on May 27, 2011, 04:09:05 pm
It's ironic that you say Rose is a very manipulative woman.
Have you seen Amy Pond? I hold nothing against Mrs Williams but she basically tried to bed the Doctor on the Eve of her Wedding in FAS. She then flirted with Van Gogh. And then, to top it ALL off, she has the cheek to feel surprised at Rory for liking Jennifer!


Title: Re: Dislike for Amy Pond
Post by: BlueRose on May 27, 2011, 04:30:41 pm
It's ironic that you say Rose is a very manipulative woman.
Have you seen Amy Pond? I hold nothing against Mrs Williams but she basically tried to bed the Doctor on the Eve of her Wedding in FAS. She then flirted with Van Gogh. And then, to top it ALL off, she has the cheek to feel surprised at Rory for liking Jennifer!

Rose was young and made the mistakes of youth. She also showed signs of character development and growth, some for better and some for worse.

I've yet to see ANY changes in Amy whatsoever. She ranges from flat to downright unlikable. All she does is pout, boss the Doctor around, and complain.


Title: Re: Dislike for Amy Pond
Post by: The Pandorica Master on May 27, 2011, 04:45:51 pm
Isn't that worse, though? Rose was young. That makes her mistakes excusable.
Amy is older. She should know better. But she's back to her 'Kissogram' ways.

I don't like her.