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Title: Dislike for River Song
Post by: sleekituk on August 31, 2010, 12:35:28 am
She was rude and obnoxious to the tenth Doctor, she knows more than the audience and she reeks of Mary Sue, discuss  ;D


Title: Re: Dislike for...
Post by: BlueRose on August 31, 2010, 01:21:21 am
She was rude and obnoxious to the tenth Doctor, she knows more than the audience and she reeks of Mary Sue, discuss  ;D

Utterly and passionately agreed. One of the worst characters to be created in the entire series since the new series came about IMHO.


Title: Re: Dislike for River Song
Post by: hannahcole93 on August 31, 2010, 08:25:27 am
River Song... when she first came out in S4, I thought- ok, as long as it's a one off, becuase by killing her off at the end of Forest of the Dead, I thought she'd never be back!

But, now... I mean don't get me wrong, I don't mind her in a way, but most of the time I find her really annoying. And in my opinion the thought of her returning for S6 doesn't appeal to me, but I want to know what they do for this whole storyline of hers! A while back too when there was talk of her becoming a full time companion I was rather cheesed off, like in the poll a while ago, I prefer the story all timey wimey!


Title: Re: Dislike for River Song
Post by: Truthseeker013 on August 31, 2010, 12:37:49 pm
Hi, I'm new here, but a fan of the series since '79.

When I first saw River's character, my immediate thought was that she was an adaptation of Bernice Summerfield from the New Adventures.


Title: Re: Dislike for River Song
Post by: WireButterfly on August 31, 2010, 01:48:24 pm
She was rude and obnoxious to the tenth Doctor, she knows more than the audience and she reeks of Mary Sue, discuss  ;D

 :o

I like River Song!

At first, when she was encroaching on Donna's screen time, I wasn't too happy about her. But I like the mystery surrounding her, Moff has given us a giant tease in the shape of Alex Kingston, and her chemistry with Eleven is volcanic.


Title: Re: Dislike for River Song
Post by: The Doc on August 31, 2010, 01:53:05 pm
I can see all sides with this to be honest. I love the character, the way she is played, her mystery etc. But I aint massively keen on the way that she is all knowing and knows more than everyone else. I think that is mainly down to be being nosey and wanting to know everything though.

Is positivity even allowed in here? Or is it for dislikers only?


Title: Re: Dislike for River Song
Post by: poprockgeek on August 31, 2010, 02:00:13 pm
Well our rules state all opinions are welcome and valid so I don't see why not  ;)


Title: Re: Dislike for River Song
Post by: The Doc on August 31, 2010, 02:02:26 pm
I know that, but what I mean is that if this is a thread for people who dislike the character to come in and talk about why, then the people who dont like her should have a 'like River' thread. It works both ways then, because the appreciation thread people wouldnt want people going in there being a neg, and vice versa. Though im not sure I am making much sense


Title: Re: Dislike for River Song
Post by: poprockgeek on August 31, 2010, 02:15:09 pm
No you're right it does make sense - although it does slightly depend how the opposing view is put across - it could either be done in a 'can I just say that actually I like this character' way which should be fine or a deliberately provocative/argumentative way which is not.

Maybe we should leave this one for the dislikers though  :)


Title: Re: Dislike for River Song
Post by: MandyDuchovney on August 31, 2010, 03:06:23 pm
 :o Okay...who stole my post? :o Was it because I was saying nice things about River?  :-\


Title: Re: Dislike for River Song
Post by: BlueRose on August 31, 2010, 03:09:35 pm
I know that, but what I mean is that if this is a thread for people who dislike the character to come in and talk about why, then the people who dont like her should have a 'like River' thread. It works both ways then, because the appreciation thread people wouldnt want people going in there being a neg, and vice versa. Though im not sure I am making much sense

No, that makes perfect sense. I wouldn't want someone to come in with negativity on a like thread either. Starting a River Song like thread wouldn't be unreasonable, then people who want to know who else likes her can find out, make new friends, et cetera.

While the rest of us who have hated her since her conception can unite in our misery. :D :D :D

;)


Title: Re: Dislike for River Song
Post by: BlueRose on August 31, 2010, 03:13:57 pm
Hi, I'm new here, but a fan of the series since '79.

When I first saw River's character, my immediate thought was that she was an adaptation of Bernice Summerfield from the New Adventures.

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But Benny had charisma and a personality, while River Song is mostly a smarmy, smug 2D plot device. The only thing I actually liked her in was shooting a fez. And c'mon, can you Mary Sue her any further than a Dalek actually fearing her, or knowing Gallifreyan? The Daleks fear the Doctor and that's IT. I sincerely wish that idiot Moff would stop heaping speshul powers on her and cramming her down our throats. And don't get me started on the wifey crap, which is probably the biggest shark jump since the perky ponytailed, perfect eyelinered "daughter" who could jump through lasers.

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As always, please to be remembering that my views on the char do not reflect upon my views of the people who like her and vise versa. I have friends who adore her and we just...agree to disagree. It's cool. :)


Title: Re: Dislike for River Song
Post by: emerald567 on September 01, 2010, 02:21:50 am
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But Benny had charisma and a personality, while River Song is mostly a smarmy, smug 2D plot device. The only thing I actually liked her in was shooting a fez. And c'mon, can you Mary Sue her any further than a Dalek actually fearing her, or knowing Gallifreyan? The Daleks fear the Doctor and that's IT. I sincerely wish that idiot Moff would stop heaping speshul powers on her and cramming her down our throats. And don't get me started on the wifey crap, which is probably the biggest shark jump since the perky ponytailed, perfect eyelinered "daughter" who could jump through lasers.

Yes. All of this. I would also add that I thought she looked too old for Ten (and I'm sorry Alex Kingston- I love you as an actress and think you are lovely) but she looks absolutely ridiculous and hideous with Eleven!


Title: Re: Dislike for River Song
Post by: Digallifreya on September 01, 2010, 06:33:58 pm
As this is a thread to bluntly express our dislike for River Song, let me count the ways in which to express my hate!
When she appeared along the 10th Doctor I was kind of indiferent to the char, I found her a tiny bit obnoxious & yes, rude but that was all...
But since her reappearance in S5... Oh my! I absolutely hate her...
Power to mature women & all that, I'm no spring chicken myself but seriously this 'old hag' suddenly turned all Femme Fatale/Lara Croft & it really looks like her char is the ultimate Mary Sue.
She knows ALL about the Doctor, much more than he does, pilots the TARDIS better, makes Daleks beg, something not even the Doctor has achieved, is also apparently irresistible & 'sexy' (or so they make us believe), dishes out the most annoying catchphrases & frankly looks ridiculous flirting with Eleven as she looks like his young granny (horrible hair btw)... Anyway, that's just the start of why I dislike her with such intensity...
The only way that hideous char can redeem herself is by turning out to be a total baddie or something horrondeous &/or die a terrible death so we never have to see her again.
If Moffat decides to make her the 'wifey' lord have mercy on his soul...
That would be just about the worst possible outcome ever..,
(sorry about any typos, writing on public transport on a phone)


Title: Re: Dislike for River Song
Post by: BlueRose on September 01, 2010, 06:56:22 pm
As this is a thread to bluntly express our dislike for River Song, let me count the ways in which to express my hate!
When she appeared along the 10th Doctor I was kind of indiferent to the char, I found her a tiny bit obnoxious & yes, rude but that was all...
But since her reappearance in S5... Oh my! I absolutely hate her...
Power to mature women & all that, I'm no spring chicken myself but seriously this 'old hag' suddenly turned all Femme Fatale/Lara Croft & it really looks like her char is the ultimate Mary Sue.
She knows ALL about the Doctor, much more than he does, pilots the TARDIS better, makes Daleks beg, something not even the Doctor has achieved, is also apparently irresistible & 'sexy' (or so they make us believe), dishes out the most annoying catchphrases & frankly looks ridiculous flirting with Eleven as she looks like his young granny (horrible hair btw)... Anyway, that's just the start of why I dislike her with such intensity...
The only way that hideous char can redeem herself is by turning out to be a total baddie or something horrondeous &/or die a terrible death so we never have to see her again.
If Moffat decides to make her the 'wifey' lord have mercy on his soul...
That would be just about the worst possible outcome ever..,
(sorry about any typos, writing on public transport on a phone)

You pretty much summed up the remainder of my thoughts. I have nothing else to add to this except I'm soooo glad I'm not alone...


Title: Re: Dislike for River Song
Post by: ciaramil on September 04, 2010, 08:41:50 pm
Thank you to everyone who has made points about River being obnoxious and such like, good to know there are some people who agree with me! And yes, I too agree that it's horrible that she knows more than the Doctor. I mean what the heck is that about? It's almost as if the Moff is trying to annoy all of us to the deepest pits of hell! (No offence Moff) But seriously, the Doctor teaching her how to fly the Tardis and giving her a sonic screwdriver? And she can read Gallifreyan? Now that's going too far. In "Forest Of The Dead" I didn't really like her anyway cos she was already quite obnoxious. I was actually quite pleased when she died and I thought that would be the end of it.... Unfortunately not... Obviously not... :|


Title: Re: Dislike for River Song
Post by: Whistler on September 04, 2010, 11:18:03 pm
I think it's bloody funny that you all use the phrase 'Mary Sue' when I haven't got a smeg what you're all on about.

It's funny to me that most people who hate her seem to be certain women getting their knickers in a knot.

Just saying....:)


Title: Re: Dislike for River Song
Post by: Whistler on September 04, 2010, 11:18:41 pm
Oh, and it's funny that in this very site's poll, 75% of people want her to come back......


Title: Re: Dislike for River Song
Post by: The Doc on September 04, 2010, 11:20:14 pm
We do have a thread for River lovers as well in this section, just to counter balance :)


Title: Re: Dislike for River Song
Post by: TheDoctorDonna on September 04, 2010, 11:25:03 pm
In fairness this thread is for people who specifically dislike the character. I personally think she is great but it's fair game in this thread


Title: Re: Dislike for River Song
Post by: sleekituk on September 04, 2010, 11:38:05 pm
I think it's bloody funny that you all use the phrase 'Mary Sue' when I haven't got a smeg what you're all on about.

It's funny to me that most people who hate her seem to be certain women getting their knickers in a knot.

Just saying....:)

purely for reference http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mary_Sue


Title: Re: Dislike for River Song
Post by: sleekituk on September 04, 2010, 11:43:13 pm
People like characters, people don't like characters, this happens, i like Adric after all!  I created this thread to see if I was alone in my dislike and reasons for dislike of the character.  My knickers are not twisted, I adore many of the female characters in the show, Romana (both) is a favoruite of mine.  One of my best friends on Twitter is a River lover, as ever, Doctor Who fans always have more common ground than different, but the differences get picked up on more easily  ;D


Title: Re: Dislike for River Song
Post by: Whistler on September 04, 2010, 11:44:10 pm
My bad, I thought the title of this forum was 'character appreciation'.  But I take your point. :)


Title: Re: Dislike for River Song
Post by: sleekituk on September 04, 2010, 11:45:07 pm
Yeah, I did think that when I started the thread, I may start a sub topic, I'm new to this lark!  :D


Title: Re: Dislike for River Song
Post by: The Doc on September 04, 2010, 11:47:23 pm
I couldnt think of a better name is the honest answer to that ;D

Because we want everyone to have their say without anyone being told to do one, or be told their wrong, the idea was put forward to have two sides to this place, so that people could appreciate a character in peace without people going 'He is a dick' 'I hate her' etc and likewise for people to come and have a place to rant about people they dont like without the lovers coming in and saying they are wrong to dislike, not real fans etc.

We try to promote harmony, but failing that we just drug your juice with uppers :)


Title: Re: Dislike for River Song
Post by: Vampyros Adric on September 05, 2010, 12:06:47 am
I should start by saying I have written in River Love as there are aspects of her that I really like. But there are problems also. She is, essentially, a one trick pony. Once you get rid of the mystery, she's just another companion. And they will have to get rid of the mystery soon or else its going to be really irritating that every time she pops up she simply winks and goes 'Oh sorry sweetie must dash...Spoilers' - OK - we get it! 


Title: Re: Dislike for River Song
Post by: sleekituk on September 05, 2010, 12:18:45 am
Oh you so know that she will have got that phrase from The Doctor too - bet he says it within minutes of meeting her for the first time in her timeline!  ::)


Title: Re: Dislike for River Song
Post by: Vampyros Adric on September 05, 2010, 12:26:16 am
Her character is in danger of falling into the Turlough Trap. Once Turlough decided not to kill the Doctor he was, really, a busted flush. It is the same with River unless the Moff is very very careful - once we know how they met, we know how she dies - I mean what is there in between after TPO/TBB that is of real substance to tell? Unless they have a kid.... oh hang on, back to the River Love thread ;)


Title: Re: Dislike for River Song
Post by: sleekituk on September 05, 2010, 12:28:25 am
Humans and Time Lords cannot mate!!!!   It would surely be like me trying to mate with a fish, albeit one with the correct parts!


Title: Re: Dislike for River Song
Post by: The Doc on September 05, 2010, 12:30:06 am
Unless of course she doesnt die. Some are speculating that the Library will be rewritten to never have happened. It was even speculated on here somewhere

As for Turlough, urgh!! Nuff said


Title: Re: Dislike for River Song
Post by: sleekituk on September 05, 2010, 12:49:35 am
What worried me was how long it took me to think of female characters I respected in Sci-Fi, says volumes about the genre.  River could have been great, but it's always hard for the audience when a character knows more than them who isn't the main focus point.


Title: Re: Dislike for River Song
Post by: BlueRose on September 05, 2010, 02:26:11 pm
I think it's bloody funny that you all use the phrase 'Mary Sue' when I haven't got a smeg what you're all on about.

It's funny to me that most people who hate her seem to be certain women getting their knickers in a knot.

Just saying....:)

I'm bisexual, so stop generalizing and complaining about threads which are very clearly marked and obviously against your personal opinion.

Consider this your first warning.


Title: Re: Dislike for River Song
Post by: BlueRose on September 05, 2010, 02:27:00 pm
Humans and Time Lords cannot mate!!!!   It would surely be like me trying to mate with a fish, albeit one with the correct parts!

Thanks to RTD, we know that's not true...we don't know whether or not they can *procreate* however, which i something utterly different.


Title: Re: Dislike for River Song
Post by: BlueRose on September 05, 2010, 02:28:22 pm
People like characters, people don't like characters, this happens, i like Adric after all!  I created this thread to see if I was alone in my dislike and reasons for dislike of the character.  My knickers are not twisted, I adore many of the female characters in the show, Romana (both) is a favoruite of mine.  One of my best friends on Twitter is a River lover, as ever, Doctor Who fans always have more common ground than different, but the differences get picked up on more easily  ;D

We probably are thinking of the same person. XD But I do know people who like her and while I vehemently disagree with their take on her, it doesn't ruin my life or make me put on black eyeliner and write emo poetry online or anything...


Title: Re: Dislike for River Song
Post by: The Doc on September 05, 2010, 02:34:38 pm

We probably are thinking of the same person. XD But I do know people who like her and while I vehemently disagree with their take on her, it doesn't ruin my life or make me put on black eyeliner and write emo poetry online or anything...

Thats actually one of my favourite past times and I love the character :P


Title: Re: Dislike for River Song
Post by: Digallifreya on September 05, 2010, 04:21:01 pm
I agree again, that is a very simplistic statement... She's a woman, so am I, therefore I hate her?! Uh... WRONG! I don't hate other female DW characters, I don't hate all of those females who flirt with the Doctor, I just find her absurd, Mary Sue-ish & absolutely irritating... AND I won't be going to the 'River Love' thread to get abusive & personal with her supporters...
I think it's bloody funny that you all use the phrase 'Mary Sue' when I haven't got a smeg what you're all on about.

It's funny to me that most people who hate her seem to be certain women getting their knickers in a knot.

Just saying....:)

I'm bisexual, so stop generalizing and complaining about threads which are very clearly marked and obviously against your personal opinion.

Consider this your first warning.


Title: Re: Dislike for River Song
Post by: Sandiwich11 on September 05, 2010, 04:21:15 pm
Humans and Time Lords cannot mate!!!!   It would surely be like me trying to mate with a fish, albeit one with the correct parts!

Thanks to RTD, we know that's not true...we don't know whether or not they can *procreate* however, which i something utterly different.

I thought 8 said that his mother was half human?


Title: Re: Dislike for River Song
Post by: Whistler on September 05, 2010, 06:43:51 pm
I apologise that my comment caused offence, I can see how it came across as sexist.  Also, I hadn't seen the 'River Love' when I posted so hence why it was in this thread. 

However, I would point out that in the 'love' threads for both Rory and River, it seems some people, particularly mods, can't make comments without passing some negative remarks towards S5 and/or the production staff.  And, I know that other people are feeling the same way.  Surely, they are being just as guilty as I was?

So, again, I apologise I 'gatecrashed' this thread & let my frustration get the better of me, however, I don't think some people feel they can be quite as open with their love for all things S5 because of that they would like to be because of the regime, shall we say.

Anyway, apologies for going off topic. :)


Title: Re: Dislike for River Song
Post by: The Doc on September 05, 2010, 06:56:42 pm
With the individual character threads, whether they be one for liking or disliking a character, people can say what they like as long as it is within the parameters of the thread itself. In the Rory thread, someone (I dont remember who off the top of my head) said they like Rory, despite not liking the series as a whole. The reason the comment went by without mention is because it stuck within the rules of the thread. They were being positive about the character in question. If there are characters people feel they dislike, then by all means feel free to start a thread discussing that, and clearly naming it so that people know what the thread is about, same as with the threads for admiration and whatnot.

Whistler, please dont think this post is aimed solely at you, it is just a reminder as a whole for everyone. As for your comment about series 5, it is a fair point and as yet we only have threads in the main DW section for general discussion. If you want to start a thread for people to chat about that particular series, or any series for that matter, in a positive light, then please feel free to start one and the same rules will apply there about negativity in the thread. Just mark it clearly so that people know that it is a no neg zone and if people dont adhere to that then the mods will step in. Im sure you are not alone and many people would contribute :)

I hope this clears things up for everyone :)


Title: Re: Dislike for River Song
Post by: poprockgeek on September 05, 2010, 06:59:36 pm
Actually after a conversation I had with someone on Twitter today I was going to start one myself - so Whistler do you want to do it or shall I?  :)


Title: Re: Dislike for River Song
Post by: The Doc on September 05, 2010, 07:03:59 pm
Ive also changed the name and description of the subforum so that it is clearer to people that some threads may be negative as apposed to just positive :)


Title: Re: Dislike for River Song
Post by: Whistler on September 05, 2010, 08:00:46 pm
Actually after a conversation I had with someone on Twitter today I was going to start one myself - so Whistler do you want to do it or shall I?  :)

I'll start it if you like :)


Title: Re: Dislike for River Song
Post by: poprockgeek on September 05, 2010, 08:03:18 pm
Actually after a conversation I had with someone on Twitter today I was going to start one myself - so Whistler do you want to do it or shall I?  :)

I'll start it if you like :)

Ok cool  :)


Title: Re: Dislike for River Song
Post by: poprockgeek on September 05, 2010, 08:17:20 pm
Sorry for taking this thread completely off topic for a few posts there - we've finished now so we'll leave you in peace  :)


Title: Re: Dislike for River Song
Post by: fandamnation on September 06, 2010, 05:26:14 pm
I really didn't like River Song either, and it's like it was mentioned earlier, she reeked of Mary Sue.

I think part of the problem is the audience was expected to accept - okay, we've had so many years of coming to terms with this all powerful alien 'man' who can do all these incredible things, but in five minutes we are supposed to accept that he fell completely for this woman in the future, and okay now she knows just as much and even more than he does. She can fly the TARDIS (and no one can do that), she knows his real name etc etc.

There was no slow build, no foreshadowing. She just came out of nowhere. Rose and Donna and Martha built up their characters and became matches for the doctor after a long time, and lots of character building for both them and the audience.

This woman comes in and it's like, "Well, you just have to accept that she's a special snowflake."

No thanks.

And P.S.  stop saying Spoilers. It's not cute.


Title: Re: Dislike for River Song
Post by: Digallifreya on September 07, 2010, 09:11:38 am
I think part of the problem is the audience was expected to accept - okay, we've had so many years of coming to terms with this all powerful alien 'man' who can do all these incredible things, but in five minutes we are supposed to accept that he fell completely for this woman in the future, and okay now she knows just as much and even more than he does. She can fly the TARDIS (and no one can do that), she knows his real name etc etc.
There was no slow build, no foreshadowing. She just came out of nowhere. Rose and Donna and Martha built up their characters and became matches for the doctor after a long time, and lots of character building for both them and the audience.
This woman comes in and it's like, "Well, you just have to accept that she's a special snowflake."
No thanks.
And P.S.  stop saying Spoilers. It's not cute.


Agreed, agreed, agreed.... with EVERYTHING!

Yes, that 'spoilers' catchphrase is beyond annoying...

AND may I add.... Lots of River lovers seem to think that the only people who hate her are 'women in love with 10th'

WRONG again! First of all, yes, I love ten but he wasn't even romantically involved with her, if anything it would have been Eleven or some other regen and believe me... she can keep eleven for all I care, no skin off my nose, Why would I be jealous?

Second of all, as I said before, there have been other flirty and MUCH more attractive women with the Doctor & I have NO problem with them...

Lady Christina being one of them.... MUCH hotter than River, snogged Ten, yet I have no problem with her... or even Pompadour, although I know some didn't like that episode, she was loads more attractive than RS and Ten adored her...

How come I'm not jealous of them then?

Because I don't find their chars annoying, they weren't trying to upstage the Doctor & didn't have ridiculous catchphrases...

So that theory about 'women hating River because they are jealous of her with Ten?' Give me a break!



Title: Re: Dislike for River Song
Post by: BlueRose on September 07, 2010, 06:14:58 pm
So, again, I apologise I 'gatecrashed' this thread & let my frustration get the better of me, however, I don't think some people feel they can be quite as open with their love for all things S5 because of that they would like to be because of the regime, shall we say.

There is no regime; there is only Zuul.

:D

Seriously, the mod team is made up of widely varied opinions about the classic, RTD, and Moffat eras of Doctor Who. We're not monolithic. I've also stated time and time again that personal opinions, including mine, bear no ill will nor malice towards people who express the opposite. We want people to feel free to express how they feel, good or bad, and have their happy zone of squee. This is why separate threads were started.

I don't recall anyone trolling threads with dislike. I certainly didn't. I voiced a liking for Rory even though I don't like S5--period, nothing else, no whining, name calling, anything. Did I go on and on about why I didn't like it? No, I saved that for the appropriate thread.

I feel for people who are feeling their squees harshed on S5; I feel similarly in certain places in expressing my squee for RTD and the Ninth and Tenth Doctors. There's no reason why ANYONE should feel the need to censor their opinion, but they shouldn't get personal with others about it too. Whether or not someone likes or dislikes a particular character has nothing to do with their gender, sexuality, race, creed, or what-have-you--and they shouldn't have it intimated to them that it has any bearing on it, either. It's kinda rude, rather like me saying something stupid like "The only people who like Amy are young boys who like women who wear short skirts." I'd never say that around here, and it's passing a judgment on others versus just the character alone.

Follow? :)

Okay, returning to the original topic of the thread...I deeply miss the days when I felt like I could watch smart, adult scifi, family friendly or not, that had decent female characters. I've felt that River has been a waste of space since she first showed up, and any chance to redeem her character has been lost for the most part--which is a crying shame. But to say that a character is either important or strong just because she's got a "significant relationship" with a male is the most sexist crap you can foist on me beyond "Here's a companion, you have to like her because she's in a short skirt."

But I'll save more on that for the "Dislike Amy" thread.


Title: Re: Dislike for River Song
Post by: BlueRose on October 09, 2010, 04:07:42 pm
I'm curious to know if this char has negatively impacted people's watching of the new new series. I know it has mine...


Title: Re: Dislike for River Song
Post by: sleekituk on October 11, 2010, 11:32:30 pm
I'd be more positive about series 6 without her, for sure, even with a companion I am not keen on and the married couple in the TARDIS that doesn't quite gel for me.  *shrugs shoulders*.  After all these years it's rubbish to feel this way, I don't want to, but to have a "strong" female character who's "strength" is defined by a yet unseen relationship with the lead male rubs me up the wrong way *sighs*


Title: Re: Dislike for River Song
Post by: BlueRose on October 19, 2010, 10:07:54 pm
I'd be more positive about series 6 without her, for sure, even with a companion I am not keen on and the married couple in the TARDIS that doesn't quite gel for me.  *shrugs shoulders*.  After all these years it's rubbish to feel this way, I don't want to, but to have a "strong" female character who's "strength" is defined by a yet unseen relationship with the lead male rubs me up the wrong way *sighs*

I'm completely with you.

I sincerely hope her char is redeemed and enough with this wifey nonsense.


Title: Re: Dislike for River Song
Post by: BlueRose on October 22, 2010, 03:24:06 pm
If she goes full time, that will be the best way to make sure I don't bother watching the show for even longer than planned. At least I plan to watch Gaiman's ep next season but that's it.


Title: Re: Dislike for River Song
Post by: BeeSC on October 23, 2010, 06:27:57 pm
I'm curious to know if this char has negatively impacted people's watching of the new new series. I know it has mine...

It certainly impacted huge on me watching the new series, I really dislike her, I'd much rather, he go back to being "Human" and marrying Joan, becoming old and dying with her.  There's something about River that just gets under my skin! I can't stand her!


Title: Re: Dislike for River Song
Post by: BlueRose on October 23, 2010, 06:42:03 pm
I'm curious to know if this char has negatively impacted people's watching of the new new series. I know it has mine...

It certainly impacted huge on me watching the new series, I really dislike her, I'd much rather, he go back to being "Human" and marrying Joan, becoming old and dying with her.  There's something about River that just gets under my skin! I can't stand her!

Or better yet, tuning in to 10.5 and Rose in the parallel world. Aiiiee.


Title: Re: Dislike for River Song
Post by: BeeSC on October 23, 2010, 07:29:24 pm
I'm curious to know if this char has negatively impacted people's watching of the new new series. I know it has mine...

It certainly impacted huge on me watching the new series, I really dislike her, I'd much rather, he go back to being "Human" and marrying Joan, becoming old and dying with her.  There's something about River that just gets under my skin! I can't stand her!

Or better yet, tuning in to 10.5 and Rose in the parallel world. Aiiiee.

Yes! Finally someone who understands!


Title: Re: Dislike for River Song
Post by: BlueRose on October 23, 2010, 07:33:44 pm
I'm curious to know if this char has negatively impacted people's watching of the new new series. I know it has mine...

It certainly impacted huge on me watching the new series, I really dislike her, I'd much rather, he go back to being "Human" and marrying Joan, becoming old and dying with her.  There's something about River that just gets under my skin! I can't stand her!

Or better yet, tuning in to 10.5 and Rose in the parallel world. Aiiiee.

Yes! Finally someone who understands!

The irony is that I have heard people say that they're happy Moffat took over because RTD was turning the show into a soap opera. Because Reinette and River weren't of his creations obviously...

*headdesk*


Title: Re: Dislike for River Song
Post by: PandoricaPond on December 29, 2010, 12:11:27 pm
I squeed for River. I /squeed/ for River! Ugh! Reading this thread has made me remember all the reasons I hate her. She knows too much about the Doctor. She can fly his TARDIS, I mean come /on/ man! Nobody can do that!
The thing that always struck me is that she seems to /enjoy/ knowing more about the Doctor than the Doctor himself. Ok, we'd all love to be in that place. Knowing secrets about the Doctor that not even /he/ knows would be awesome. But she takes /way/ too much pleasure in it. Also, she /shot/ the /stetson/! I can't believe the b***h shot the smegging stetson. The fez I can kinda understand but the /stetson/?! It looks hot on Matt... I mean, 11. *Coughs* Anyway, yeah. I hate River. A lot. *Puts on my 'I hate River' badge.* Ok, that's enough from me. *nodnod*


Title: Re: Dislike for River Song
Post by: Mind_Robber on December 29, 2010, 01:02:23 pm
Humans and Time Lords cannot mate!!!!   It would surely be like me trying to mate with a fish, albeit one with the correct parts!

Thanks to RTD, we know that's not true...we don't know whether or not they can *procreate* however, which i something utterly different.

I thought 8 said that his mother was half human?
Since no-one else has answered, I shall. 8 actually said he was half human on his mother's side, showing that not only can human's and time lords... interact, they can also procreate and, if the Doctor's anything to go by, produce children with time lord physiology. (binary-cardio system ect)

So as much as I hate the idea, River and the Doctor could, if they wished, enter into a physical relationship and produce children from that relationship.

Sorry, went off on a bit of a tangent there, but you get the point. :)


Title: Re: Dislike for River Song
Post by: BlueRose on March 13, 2011, 05:24:12 pm
Anyone else dreading what they're going to do with S6 as a result of all of the River-centric crap?

I sure am. :-/


Title: Re: Dislike for River Song
Post by: BlueRose on April 25, 2011, 06:00:02 pm
I think I now hate the char even more. I didn't think this was possible but so far, they're really succeeding in ruining the show by making it Riverfest.


Title: Re: Dislike for River Song
Post by: Oh-Wise-One on April 25, 2011, 07:34:04 pm
Generally I aint a big fan but I was surprised by how well she was handled in the latest episode. She didnt overtake the scenes and it wasn't all about her. I usually agree with you on this subject but this time I was ok with her


Title: Re: Dislike for River Song
Post by: PandoricaPond on May 03, 2011, 11:55:38 am
*Renews my River Song hatred* After what happened towards the end of the last ep, I have to do this lol


Title: Re: Dislike for River Song
Post by: hannahcole93 on May 04, 2011, 04:35:08 pm
*Renews my River Song hatred* After what happened towards the end of the last ep, I have to do this lol

Oh... with her and the Doctor  :( that's the only bit of her I didn't like... can I swap places with River in that last scene?!  ;)


Title: Re: Dislike for River Song
Post by: PandoricaPond on May 09, 2011, 11:43:39 am
Yeah. I hated it. He resisted for like a second. When he started to return it, I walked out. I cried. Embarrassed by that now lol. Missed the following scenes.  ;D