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Title: River Love
Post by: The Doc on August 31, 2010, 03:16:00 pm
For reasons explained elsewhere, if you love River Song and think she is full of awesome, then this is the place to come and squee :D

(http://stomptokyo.com/scott/nerds/img/12_The_Pandorica_Opens_1-20100711-220758.jpg)


Title: Re: River Love
Post by: DAK on August 31, 2010, 05:39:42 pm
Oh cool!  Squeeee!!!!   :D

I love River!  Finally a brave, smart female character who doesn't girly scream at the merest hint of danger.  And she made a Dalek beg for mercy!   :o

I have no idea who or what she is, but I'm looking forward to her story.  I'm confident that Moffat won't disappoint in that regard.  She's obviously someone who will be very important in the Doctor's life for many years to come.


Title: Re: River Love
Post by: MandyDuchovney on August 31, 2010, 06:18:43 pm
Yes..having a dalek beg for mercy? Very impressive 8)

Big fan of River - I actually like that she KNOWS the Doctors future....knows him and clearly very well ;)  And that all he really knows about her is what she was/is prepared to do.... for him. He is in her debt and yet
he has no idea what made her so loyal/devoted to him. Intriguing. Or at least - it should be ;)

Still not sure that Eleven is 'her' doctor but hopefully that will become clearer in the new series.


Title: Re: River Love
Post by: DAK on September 01, 2010, 02:02:46 pm
I hope Eleven is her Doctor; those two have amazing chemistry together.  Although it seems pretty clear she's met more than one version of him.  It will be interesting as we move more into his future (her past) and he knows more of her future than she knows of his.  I'm sure he'll be just as smug with the "spoilers!", which is probably why she turns around and does the same thing to him.  I love timey-wimey.  LOL  I feel really bad for him though; as their relationship progresses and he comes to love her (if that's where their story is going), he knows some day he'll have to make that special screw driver for her and pay her that last visit before she heads off to the Library.  Poor Doctor.  And poor River; he's such an ass to her on the last day of her life.


Title: Re: River Love
Post by: Sandiwich11 on September 01, 2010, 02:12:39 pm
I love River Song, she's certainly one of the most intriguing and clever characters in recent years ;D 

Moff has taken the whole meaning of 'Timey-Wimey' to a completely different level through a lot of his stories since the reboot which makes me think that he has known for a long time who she is and how she will effect the show and characters in the future. 

I really hope we get a younger version of her next year and therefore get to see the other side of her.  Successful companions, for me, have to grow and better themselves during their time in the TARDIS.  We have been seeing the tail end of this journey so far, now I want to explore how she became someone who can stare down a Dalek and make it beg for mercy.


Title: Re: River Love
Post by: Vampyros Adric on September 05, 2010, 12:02:51 am
I have never squeed in public and I don't intend to start now. However I do like the idea of River muchly and she has a real presence. I won't say that she carried TPO/TBB but her performance in the two eps was a large contributory reason why I enjoyed them so much. I think her problem are that you can only keep the mystery for so long before people end up thinking 'Oh get on with it'. I just hope the resolution isn't an anti climax - this is a lady powerful enough to bewitch the Doctor - I hope The Moff et al treat her with the appropriate respect.


Title: Re: River Love
Post by: The Doc on September 05, 2010, 12:05:34 am
Go on squee, we wont tell :P


Title: Re: River Love
Post by: Dame Roger on September 05, 2010, 01:41:49 am
I think she's a great character. I love the device of a friend/companion/whatever else she turns out to be who the Doctor keeps running into at different points in both their lives, and the fact that for once there is someone who seems to know more about the Doctor than he does himself. And I hope we see a reversal of this in the future - an episode where the Doctor now knows her well but she has no idea who he is.


Title: Re: River Love
Post by: Whistler on September 05, 2010, 02:11:49 am
I think she's a great character. I love the device of a friend/companion/whatever else she turns out to be who the Doctor keeps running into at different points in both their lives, and the fact that for once there is someone who seems to know more about the Doctor than he does himself. And I hope we see a reversal of this in the future - an episode where the Doctor now knows her well but she has no idea who he is.

What he said :D|


Title: Re: River Love
Post by: Iceman on September 05, 2010, 02:32:45 am
(http://stomptokyo.com/scott/nerds/img/12_The_Pandorica_Opens_1-20100711-220758.jpg)

Anybody who looks that good in a suit that tight gets my vote  :o ;D


Title: Re: River Love
Post by: Tardis-Console on September 12, 2010, 11:59:43 am
Wow I didnt realise people didnt like River Song. I saw the other thread, but I think this is the one where I will hang out. I find her so mysterious and intriguing and cant wait to see more of her in the next series. I also cant wait until I watch older seasons and see her previous stories. I really like her and the mysteries she holds. It is interesting to try and guess what is going on with her


Title: Re: River Love
Post by: Seren_y_Gogledd on September 12, 2010, 03:03:56 pm
I don't mind the idea of that other thread, it means we can choose not to read it ;-)

I really hope River doesn't turn out to be evil, I'd hate for someone that awesome to be on the side of the bad guys. Though if she only is because she doesn't know they're bad, and everything she's done since is her way of making up for it, I could live with that. Either way, looking forward to finding out next year!


Title: Re: River Love
Post by: The Doc on September 12, 2010, 03:09:59 pm
I agree with you, Seren. I would hate if she turned out to be bad all along, but an atonement type story I could cope with :)


Title: Re: River Love
Post by: Sandiwich11 on September 12, 2010, 04:09:02 pm
I really hope River doesn't turn out to be evil, I'd hate for someone that awesome to be on the side of the bad guys. Though if she only is because she doesn't know they're bad, and everything she's done since is her way of making up for it, I could live with that. Either way, looking forward to finding out next year!

I like that idea, it could lead to some great scenes where she starts to trust the Doctor after learning that her loyalties where misplaced before.  As the Doctor will know the 'spoilers' this time round he would know how she could change and wouldn't give up on her.

I've always thought that she kills someone who the majority of people think of as a 'great man' yet who is in fact someone bad that has mislead them all (much like Saxon).  If she working for this person and then the Doctor shows her how evil he really is, I can totally see her killing him and then trying to make up for everything afterwards.


Title: Re: River Love
Post by: DAK on September 12, 2010, 09:47:10 pm
Wow I didnt realise people didnt like River Song. I saw the other thread, but I think this is the one where I will hang out. I find her so mysterious and intriguing and cant wait to see more of her in the next series. I also cant wait until I watch older seasons and see her previous stories. I really like her and the mysteries she holds. It is interesting to try and guess what is going on with her

She was only in one previous story, a 2-parter in season 4.  From what I've read on various sites, many people were either ambivalent about her or disliked her after those episodes, but have come to love her in season 5.  Even the Doctor, who wanted to run away from her at first this season, was outright flirty with her at the end.  It will be interesting (if confusing! LOL) to watch their relationship develop.


Title: Re: River Love
Post by: Tardis-Console on September 25, 2010, 11:41:37 am
I just know once we know her story next year I am going to love her even more. I love all the mystery surrounding her and I think once we know more about her it will open up so many more storyline possibilites


Title: Re: River Love
Post by: PandoricaPond on October 06, 2010, 09:05:38 pm
I am officially breaking my vow of silence.

SQUEEEEE!!

River Song rules. At first I hated her with a fiery passion! But since she made Dalek BEG for mercy, I am now an official River supporter. So I'm sorry for this next squee. I've been holding it in for too long.

SQUEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE!!! :D


Title: Re: River Love
Post by: DAK on October 07, 2010, 05:21:45 am
Nice one!  Squeeeeeing is cool.   8)

I also didn't care much for her when she first appeared, but by the end of "Flesh and Stone" I was looking forward to her next appearance as much as the Doctor was!  By the end of "The Big Bang" I was like "OK, please make this woman a full time Companion!"  She and Eleven are so cute together with their bantering and bickering. 


Title: Re: River Love
Post by: chrissymarieb on October 07, 2010, 01:07:49 pm
I think River is a very interesting character and there is lots of potential/options for how she can be further woven into the story.  I just hope that she's not The Doctor's wife :)


Title: Re: River Love
Post by: PandoricaPond on October 07, 2010, 01:10:37 pm
I'd love to see her as an official companion, but I really don't wanna see the Doctor and River married. I mean, I think it's gonna happen, but I don't like it lol. :P


Title: Re: River Love
Post by: DAK on October 07, 2010, 04:43:44 pm
I don't really care one way or the other if they're married or not.  I'm looking forward to finding out who she is and how she becomes so important to the Doctor.  She must be someone pretty special that he comes to trust (and love?) her so much.


Title: Re: River Love
Post by: poprockgeek on October 10, 2010, 04:48:08 pm
I LOVE RIVER SONG

Sorry for shouting, I'm just really wishing I'd come over here and said it sooner. That was really cathartic.

I love the air of mystery. I love that she knows more than we do. I love that call of 'Spoilers' (I say it a la RS all the time now). I can't wait for the revelations about her.


Title: Re: River Love
Post by: The Doc on October 10, 2010, 04:57:36 pm
Soooooooooooooo excited that she will be in the opening two parter. Im hoping she is in it all (like the rumours of her being in all of series 7, which may now mean 6.2) but an opener with River will rock.


Title: Re: River Love
Post by: poprockgeek on October 10, 2010, 05:30:27 pm
Very excited about it. Roll on series 6  :D


Title: Re: River Love
Post by: DAK on October 11, 2010, 04:08:43 am
I was so excited to read she'd be in the series opener.  Is this when he first meets her I wonder?  '60's Utah - what could she be doing there?


Title: Re: River Love
Post by: Aneurin on October 11, 2010, 09:30:57 pm
Totally love River. I really want her to become a regular, but up to know I have loved how she has just popped in every now and again. I also love how she is becoming such a big part of the history of the show, but without actually being a regular character. The more the better I say :D


Title: Re: River Love
Post by: Sandiwich11 on October 13, 2010, 09:31:39 pm
I couldn't agree more, she's been in very few episodes overall yet is a huge part of the show for the fans (as is Rory who hasn't been in many more episodes than her).  Ales K does a great job with her, as has Moff when writing her :D


Title: Re: River Love
Post by: Aneurin on October 18, 2010, 09:56:22 am
Totally. I don't get all the bile aimed towards her throughout fandom. She is brilliantly played and written and is one of the best characters we have had in years


Title: Re: River Love
Post by: Sandiwich11 on October 18, 2010, 02:39:51 pm
The main complaints I see against her are that she's smug and knows more than the Doctor which people don't like.  Imo she's far less smug than 10 was at times and I love how she knows somethings that the Doctor doesn't.  What's the point in having a show about tike travel if you don't explore all the options, lol.


Title: Re: River Love
Post by: Aneurin on October 19, 2010, 09:24:55 pm
I dont think she is smug. People dont like that she knows more than the Doctor, but she is from his future. She can hardly help it. Thats the point of the stories. And she obviously wants things to run their course or she would reveal her 'spoilers'.


Title: Re: River Love
Post by: Roranicus on October 19, 2010, 10:05:55 pm
That guy was so rude! No wonder all the mods keep on about harmony on the site. Imagine that all day every day!


Title: Re: River Love
Post by: Aneurin on October 19, 2010, 10:07:29 pm
Lets just hope he stays gone. Or River might have to get nasty with him :P

(http://cybermantra.files.wordpress.com/2010/06/cyberhead-close-river.jpg?w=497&h=449)


Title: Re: River Love
Post by: Roranicus on October 19, 2010, 10:08:12 pm
Hahahaha brilliant :P


Title: Re: River Love
Post by: DAK on October 20, 2010, 02:22:04 am
Lets just hope he stays gone. Or River might have to get nasty with him :P

(http://cybermantra.files.wordpress.com/2010/06/cyberhead-close-river.jpg?w=497&h=449)

This is an awesome picture.  Shame the scene was cut; I hope it's on the DVD. 


Title: Re: River Love
Post by: Peri-Peri on October 20, 2010, 10:36:48 am
I wondered where that pic came from. I hope it's on the DVD


Title: Re: River Love
Post by: The Doc on October 20, 2010, 06:22:56 pm
I received lots of PMs about this thread when I got on today, so sorry to everyone who got wound up last night. The comments have been removed now so you can all get back to your enjoyment :)


Title: Re: River Love
Post by: Sandiwich11 on October 20, 2010, 11:53:37 pm
Cheers Doc, it's shame trolls exist :(


Title: Re: River Love
Post by: The Doc on October 21, 2010, 05:47:20 pm
No worries. Hopefully things will stay peaceful now :)


Title: Re: River Love
Post by: thefifthdoctor on October 22, 2010, 05:41:06 pm
I'm slightly on the fence with River - on the one hand I wasn't a fan for her first appearance, but then her time with 11 so far has been quite fun for the most part.

Really looking forward to what goes down with her & Mark Sheppard!


Title: Re: River Love
Post by: Peri-Peri on October 23, 2010, 11:27:15 am
I'm slightly on the fence with River - on the one hand I wasn't a fan for her first appearance, but then her time with 11 so far has been quite fun for the most part.

Really looking forward to what goes down with her & Mark Sheppard!

Judging by those pictures we got the other day, I'm guessing he either took an instant dislike to her or they have some sort of history. Im guessing he is the one who pushes her out the window


Title: Re: River Love
Post by: Aneurin on October 23, 2010, 11:15:47 pm
As if anyone could take an instant dislike to her. They obviously have history :P

I saw another picture of her from that filming the other night in her gold dress and she looked gorgeous. I cant wait to see her on screen again.


Title: Re: River Love
Post by: Aneurin on November 10, 2010, 05:50:20 pm
The more I think about series 6 starting, the more excited I am about the return of River. Im so glad she is in the opener and I hope we get to see a lot more of her this year. River is brilliant and the mystery around her is itching to be revealed. I need my River fix :P


Title: Re: River Love
Post by: DAK on November 11, 2010, 04:27:47 am
^ I'm with you on that!! 

I squirreled away links to a couple of cool essays about River that I'd completely forgotten about until I was trying to clear out my zillion bookmarks.  Thought you might be interested if you haven't seen them already!  :D

http://community.livejournal.com/doctoreleven/379354.html#cutid1

http://chaila43.livejournal.com/99989.html


Title: Re: River Love
Post by: chrissymarieb on November 11, 2010, 12:07:26 pm
The more I think about series 6 starting, the more excited I am about the return of River. Im so glad she is in the opener and I hope we get to see a lot more of her this year. River is brilliant and the mystery around her is itching to be revealed. I need my River fix :P

I am very interested to learn her back story and who she really is in relation to the Doctor.  Good stuff!


Title: Re: River Love
Post by: Aneurin on December 02, 2010, 03:29:30 pm
^ I'm with you on that!! 

I squirreled away links to a couple of cool essays about River that I'd completely forgotten about until I was trying to clear out my zillion bookmarks.  Thought you might be interested if you haven't seen them already!  :D

http://community.livejournal.com/doctoreleven/379354.html#cutid1

http://chaila43.livejournal.com/99989.html

Theyre great, thanks. I'd not seen them before :)


Title: Re: River Love
Post by: the Doctor companion on December 05, 2010, 08:37:13 am
of cause I love her River is cool 8) I hate the River haters but i'm a little worried about her true stuff there not going to make her evil are there?


Title: Re: River Love
Post by: Tardis-Console on December 05, 2010, 04:20:28 pm
I dont hate people who hate her. People can like whoever they want to, but I dont personally get a lot of the vitriol that gets aimed at her


Title: Re: River Love
Post by: MandyDuchovney on December 06, 2010, 11:54:37 am
of cause I love her River is cool 8) I hate the River haters but i'm a little worried about her true stuff there not going to make her evil are there?

Unless time has indeed been rewritten we've seen how River 'dies' and know the reason why. We know she killed a good man but that doesn't make her 'evil' - in war good men are killed all the time by good men. It's the 'why' that justifies - not the act itself.

Whatever colourful twists Mr Moffat has in store for River/us I like to think that TFOD was her final swansong and that her actions here... if nothing else ... made up for any past 'indiscretions'.


Title: Re: River Love
Post by: the Doctor companion on December 08, 2010, 10:44:32 pm
I dont hate people who hate her. People can like whoever they want to, but I dont personally get a lot of the vitriol that gets aimed at her
I didn't mean it like that.


Title: Re: River Love
Post by: Roranicus on December 22, 2010, 09:41:58 pm
of cause I love her River is cool 8) I hate the River haters but i'm a little worried about her true stuff there not going to make her evil are there?

Unless time has indeed been rewritten we've seen how River 'dies' and know the reason why. We know she killed a good man but that doesn't make her 'evil' - in war good men are killed all the time by good men. It's the 'why' that justifies - not the act itself.

Whatever colourful twists Mr Moffat has in store for River/us I like to think that TFOD was her final swansong and that her actions here... if nothing else ... made up for any past 'indiscretions'.

I agree. I think it would be such a shame if the lovely ending to TFOTD got changed because I think it would ultimately change her character because no matter what Moff dreams up for stories along the way, I like to believe that whoever she was when she died was real and whatever happened beforehand led her to that place and the person she was when she died.


Title: Re: River Love
Post by: Exterminate on December 24, 2010, 05:22:37 pm
Yea, they HAVE to keep the SITL ending. I know things can be changed and rewritten, but that should be kept. Besides, if River doesnt die then it would mean the Doctor does and explaining that away would be a lot of effort and take a fair chunk of time within in an episode. It doesnt need to be changed.


Title: Re: River Love
Post by: Tardis-Console on December 26, 2010, 10:55:11 am
That shot of her in the trailer where she shoots the Doctors stetson off just made me love her that bit more. I dont know what she has against his hats but I hope she shoots them all :P


Title: Re: River Love
Post by: DAK on December 28, 2010, 06:43:06 am
Well at least she let him keep the top hat.  :) 


Title: Re: River Love
Post by: chrissymarieb on January 03, 2011, 02:07:20 pm
That shot of her in the trailer where she shoots the Doctors stetson off just made me love her that bit more. I dont know what she has against his hats but I hope she shoots them all :P

I actually like him in the Stetson.  I would have left that one on.


Title: Re: River Love
Post by: Exterminate on January 03, 2011, 03:26:12 pm
I just read somewhere 'I wouldnt mind River Song so much if she wasnt so ugly, but that just makes me hate her'

Most. Stupid. Comment. EVER!


Title: Re: River Love
Post by: Aneurin on January 09, 2011, 01:30:46 pm
I just read somewhere 'I wouldnt mind River Song so much if she wasnt so ugly, but that just makes me hate her'

Most. Stupid. Comment. EVER!

Thats just fu*king stupid. I heard similar comments about Matt Smith when he was announced as the Doctor but he is awesome as the Doctor and how he looks makes no difference. Alex Kingston is beautiful but it has no bearing on how brilliantly she plays River Song. I'm sure some people just come out with this **** to get a reaction.


Title: Re: River Love
Post by: Tardis-Console on January 09, 2011, 03:00:05 pm
A lot of negativity comes I think from peoples misunderstanding of the character. I have heard a lot of people say 'I don't like that she knows more than the Doctor' but she doesnt. She just knows things in a different order to him at the moment. When we start seeing things from the perspective of her first meetings then he will know more than her in terms of their history/future. There is no point in people using that as an excuse because it has nothing to do with her character. They could hardly have a story where she knows the Doctor but doesnt know her own history. It wouldnt make sense in the narrative.

As for her being ugly, if thats the case then I must be a moose. And thats impossible because I am gor-jusssss! :P


Title: Re: River Love
Post by: Sandiwich11 on January 09, 2011, 03:16:25 pm
I think some people do say these negative things just to troll and get a reaction.  But unfortunately there are some who do seem to think that their opinion is the right one, and get their knickers in a twist* when then don't understand how others can be 'missing' something that is plain as day to them ::)

Truth is that fans like us, who visit DW sites/use twitter or chatrooms, make up like half of a half of a percent of the overall 'fan base'.  The only thing that really matters to the program makers is the general public's view; i.e the viewing figures, merch buyers, event goers, etc.  And from that POV the show and characters are phenomenally successful, worldwide.

Why us on-line fans can't just get on and discuss things in an adult manner is really beyond me, we should be caring for each other and grown up enough to agree to disagree on subjects like this.  Ho hum :(



*watch Icey have a go at me for that Britism :P


Title: Re: River Love
Post by: Peri-Peri on January 10, 2011, 02:16:16 pm
Sandi has it spot on. There is way too much bitching and backbiting in fandoms. DW is the only one I really frequent and it can sometimes get horrible. The way some people speak to others who don't share their opinion is shocking at times and for some reason this character in particular seems to be at the heart of many arguments which I could understand if the character was done and dusted, but people are basing a lot of their arguments on their own assumptions instead of waiting for her story to complete itself.


Title: Re: River Love
Post by: Aneurin on April 05, 2011, 08:18:38 pm
Can't believe there is less than 3 weeks until I get to see the brilliant River again!!!!

I. CANT. WAIT


Title: Re: River Love
Post by: Aneurin on April 16, 2011, 07:11:41 pm
1 week today!!

 :D :D :D :D :D :D


Title: Re: River Love
Post by: Tardis-Console on April 16, 2011, 09:55:32 pm
I absolutely can't wait to see River again. I'm as excited for that as I am the return of the show itself, I think


Title: Re: River Love
Post by: Vampyros Adric on April 19, 2011, 03:42:39 pm
I thought it was probably germane to give this a quick bump and say I wonder how we will feel about River in a few weeks time. She has really polarised fans - with some loving and some hating - but I think we are about to get a bit of pay off on her character development. I can't wait to see what the Moff has lined up for us :)


Title: Re: River Love
Post by: TheDoctorDonna on April 19, 2011, 07:07:22 pm
I am excited about knowing more about her, but at the same time I am a bit worried that that might mean the end for her. I hope that we see a lot more of her even after we know her secrets


Title: Re: River Love
Post by: Twisted-Sister on April 20, 2011, 10:58:13 am
I am excited about knowing more about her, but at the same time I am a bit worried that that might mean the end for her. I hope that we see a lot more of her even after we know her secrets

Yea I agree. If they get rid of her just because we know her secret it will be a travesty


Title: Re: River Love
Post by: TheDoctorDonna on April 20, 2011, 12:59:47 pm
I am excited about knowing more about her, but at the same time I am a bit worried that that might mean the end for her. I hope that we see a lot more of her even after we know her secrets

Yea I agree. If they get rid of her just because we know her secret it will be a travesty

She implied in TTOA/FAS that she has met several incarnations, and there is still a lot in her diary that isnt covered, so hopefully she will stick around. Maybe even full time. I'd love that


Title: Re: River Love
Post by: Aneurin on April 20, 2011, 02:58:22 pm
Well the more the better I say. Id squee myself to death if she became a full time companion!


Title: Re: River Love
Post by: hannahcole93 on April 20, 2011, 09:47:32 pm
I never thought I'd hear myself say this, but River has grown on me after watching some of the episodes she's in again... Such a lovely character, and I've finally seen that caring side to her which I never thought she had...n  :-[ :)


Title: Re: River Love
Post by: Twisted-Sister on April 20, 2011, 09:50:05 pm
River is awesome :)


Title: Re: River Love
Post by: Oh-Wise-One on April 22, 2011, 11:40:38 am
I'm still on the fence. She grows on me more each time I see her. Partly because I feel I am 'getting' the character more and partly because listening to all the crazies and their crazy reasons why she is so awful makes me realise she isnt all that bad after all


Title: Re: River Love
Post by: Twisted-Sister on April 25, 2011, 07:18:09 pm
I was so happy to see her again this weekend. She came back better than ever and it really felt like she was part of the core team as apposed to a guest/recurring character. Her story is getting more involved and I am getting more gripped by it each time we see her. I can't wait to see her more this series!


Title: Re: River Love
Post by: poprockgeek on April 25, 2011, 07:27:40 pm
I feel the same. And if I didn't love her character enough that scene where she was talking to Rory about what she knows lies in her future (I won't say more than that so as not to spoil!) made me feel for her even more.

Glad to see her more as part of the team so far.

... and partly because listening to all the crazies and their crazy reasons why she is so awful makes me realise she isnt all that bad after all.

And this is so true!



Title: Re: River Love
Post by: Aneurin on April 25, 2011, 08:42:20 pm
I feel the same. And if I didn't love her character enough that scene where she was talking to Rory about what she knows lies in her future (I won't say more than that so as not to spoil!) made me feel for her even more.

Glad to see her more as part of the team so far.

... and partly because listening to all the crazies and their crazy reasons why she is so awful makes me realise she isnt all that bad after all.

And this is so true!

I'm so over it! It always seems to be the same type of person who keeps slagging her off all the time. We don't get much of it here luckily, but look a little further afield and you find it. Its a very small minority of people trying to sound like a very vocal majority, saying the same crap over and over again hoping that others will back them up to validate their insecurities which they then take out on the character. There are characters I absolutely HATE in television shows but instead of spending all my time bitching about them to feel better about myself, I just get past it and don't acknowledge them once I have stopped watching. It really is that easy.

River Song was brilliant in the last episode. She was written brilliantly, she was acted brilliantly and she was a total asset to the episode. The scenes she did with the Doctor were fun and added nicely to her mystery and the scenes with Rory were superb. Very subtly played and very touching. The more we see of her this series, the better!


Title: Re: River Love
Post by: TheDoctorDonna on April 25, 2011, 09:29:37 pm
I feel the same. And if I didn't love her character enough that scene where she was talking to Rory about what she knows lies in her future (I won't say more than that so as not to spoil!) made me feel for her even more.

Glad to see her more as part of the team so far.

... and partly because listening to all the crazies and their crazy reasons why she is so awful makes me realise she isnt all that bad after all.

And this is so true!

I'm so over it! It always seems to be the same type of person who keeps slagging her off all the time. We don't get much of it here luckily, but look a little further afield and you find it. Its a very small minority of people trying to sound like a very vocal majority, saying the same crap over and over again hoping that others will back them up to validate their insecurities which they then take out on the character. There are characters I absolutely HATE in television shows but instead of spending all my time ****ing about them to feel better about myself, I just get past it and don't acknowledge them once I have stopped watching. It really is that easy.

River Song was brilliant in the last episode. She was written brilliantly, she was acted brilliantly and she was a total asset to the episode. The scenes she did with the Doctor were fun and added nicely to her mystery and the scenes with Rory were superb. Very subtly played and very touching. The more we see of her this series, the better!

I couldnt agree more. I went through the same stuff a few years back with Donna. Everyone was hating on her and saying crap and it used to frustrate the hell out of me because I could see how great she was. Its the same with River. I will refrain from saying too much as my thoughts on the type of person who seems to be on at her all the time runs quite personal and I don't want to start arguements here, but as you say its a minority trying to act like a majority. If her being in the show is causing people to react in such a volatile manner, perhaps they should do themselves a favour and not tune in until she isnt in it anymore


Title: Re: River Love
Post by: DAK on April 26, 2011, 03:32:49 am
I wish River was going to be in every episode this season.  She makes them so much more fun!  The flirting and bantering between her and the Doctor is *hilarious* ("I'm quite the screamer" made me pause the episode for about 10 minutes so I could just laugh without missing anything!).  Their relationship is so tragic though, imagine every time you meet the person you love they know you a little bit less... so sad.  And yet she soldiers on anyway. 


Title: Re: River Love
Post by: Tardis-Console on April 26, 2011, 05:02:40 pm
Well I always loved her, but its nice after reading some negative stuff to come in here and see some people slowly coming around to the character and her awesomeness


Title: Re: River Love
Post by: RiverandTheDoctor on April 28, 2011, 08:33:00 pm
As you can probably tell from my screenname, I love River Song! She's my favorite companion and I hope that she'll eventually be a full time companion and get her name in the credits, Alex Kingston deserves it.  O0

From a feminist perspective, River brings so much to the show! She's a truly independent woman and although I think it's obvious she's in love with The Doctor and he means a lot to her and she's even willing to die for him, he is not the summation of her universe. She still has adventures and a life independent of him, she can take care of herself, she can save him and the universe, instead of him being the one that needs to save her (and the universe) all the time. It's so refreshing to see this kind of woman on Doctor Who, let alone on television. I'm constantly astounded by the stereotypes and gender roles that River inverts, displaces, and outright defies. (i.e. "Hello, Sweetie," her costume choices, and her titles - Doctor Song and Professor Song - are all examples of this.) She's an older woman who has not lost her sexuality, yet she isn't oversexualized like a majority of women on television are. She also strong (emotionally and physically), independent, and yes, badass  ;) yet she's still flawed like every person out there, certainly not a Mary-Sue.

I'm invested in River Song until the end and I cannot thank Steven Moffat enough for gifting us such a brilliant, innovative portrayal of womanhood. River Song makes me proud!


Title: Re: River Love
Post by: DAK on April 29, 2011, 03:09:50 am
^ Yes!!  I so agree with you!  I detest weak "damsel in distress" female characters.  She's incredibly resourceful - look at all the shenanigans she went through in "The Pandorica Opens", just to get the Doctor's attention.  Where does she get all that stuff anyway - guns, clothes, equipment - if she's in prison?  Which also raises the point - if she can escape any time she wants, then why does she stay?


Title: Re: River Love
Post by: RiverandTheDoctor on April 29, 2011, 03:48:50 am
Where does she get all that stuff anyway - guns, clothes, equipment - if she's in prison?  Which also raises the point - if she can escape any time she wants, then why does she stay?

That's another part of her character that I like: she's very intricate. I think she stays because she does feel personal regret for whatever she did and feels that she deserves to be punished for it, but that doesn't stop her from leaving if she's needed elsewhere and/or by The Doctor. But then she goes back, to finish the rest of her sentence. (I think she probably went back at the end of TBB and hid the vortex manipulator in her cell, which was how she was able to leave after getting her letter in TIA.) And of course, if my speculation is right, then she could have a house/condo/apartment/secret someplace where she has all of her stuff that she'd need access to when and if she does need to escape the Stormcage.


Title: Re: River Love
Post by: missadric2 on May 01, 2011, 11:56:26 am
Her character is just completely different to the ones I've seen before I mean Rose was independent like her but she doesn't need saving every second love her more than ever :D


Title: Re: River Love
Post by: DAK on May 02, 2011, 12:38:00 am
It seems like River ends up saving the day more often than not.  I like how she and the Doctor work together without having to say much to each other.  They're so in sync.  He's the brains and she's the brawn (which he apparently finds kinda hot  :D ).


Title: Re: River Love
Post by: RiverandTheDoctor on May 02, 2011, 01:51:59 am
I can't stop watching them rotating back to back. Someone on Tumblr joked about it being a "Time Lord mating ritual" which made me laugh so hard and now I can't watch that scene without thinking that.  ;D

And it's so nice to see him openly flirting with her. Their flirting was the highlight of the episode for me. (Well, that and the moment when the kissed and he kissed her back and started to grab her arm until she moved her hands to his waist and made him get a little jumpy again. lol) I'm so excited to see the fan vids that begin emerging after this episode.


Title: Re: River Love
Post by: DAK on May 02, 2011, 04:13:39 am
Have you seen this?    ;D

http://s21.photobucket.com/albums/b255/GidgetWW/?action=view&current=tumblr_lk527gQPgr1qbjr46o1_500.gif

When she grabbed his waist maybe she found a tickly spot?   ;)  It looked like he was going to go for it at first.  Oh well, at least he didn't push her away, and he did seem to enjoy it!   O0  Hopefully we'll get at least another snog this season.

I can only imagine in her future (his past) how hard it is for her to see him, how strong she has to be to retain her composure.  Associating with the Doctor has really messed up her life, moreso than most companions.  And even as she's about to die she wouldn't change a thing. 


Title: Re: River Love
Post by: missadric2 on May 02, 2011, 12:22:27 pm
Haha!!!! Timelord mating ritual that's hilarious!!!! I do hope we get another kiss this season and I thought I saw him almost just give in and go for it but then he hesitated again :( love them together


Title: Re: River Love
Post by: DAK on May 03, 2011, 02:36:31 am
Well next time he'll have to go for it, or else he'll change her past...  Clearly this is something they've done many times, even the last time she saw him, so the next time he sees her there ought to be a decent snog.  Gotta keep those timelines intact ya know!   O0

Speaking of fan vids, this one's a winner - love it!!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mkfJUhVmDUA


Title: Re: River Love
Post by: missadric2 on May 04, 2011, 05:27:42 pm
That video was MINT!!!! Loved it :D


Title: Re: River Love
Post by: RiverandTheDoctor on June 02, 2011, 04:42:57 am
Well next time he'll have to go for it, or else he'll change her past...  Clearly this is something they've done many times, even the last time she saw him, so the next time he sees her there ought to be a decent snog.  Gotta keep those timelines intact ya know!   O0

Speaking of fan vids, this one's a winner - love it!!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mkfJUhVmDUA

There are no words for how much I love this video! Gah, I cannot wait until Matturday! Bring on The Doctor/River lovin'! (Hopefully we get another smooch! Or better...)


Title: Re: River Love
Post by: RedHairedGrrlGeek on July 01, 2011, 10:45:52 am
I also adore that video.

I love the way Eleven and River interact.  I was remarking to hubby how much like an old married couple they are a lot of the time, the way they're at ease with each other even when they're arguing. 

River herself kicks major butt.  It's great to see a really strong female character - I mean, DW isn't lacking those, at all, but River is very much more the Doctor's equal than many of his companions have been.  It'll be fascinating to see how this develops.  And I do hope she goes jumping out of something and expecting him to be there to catch her again.  There's a nice cheek to that.

(Also, I'm not normally a shoe girl, but I want her shoes.  The red ones from TTOA.   Mwah. :*)


Title: Re: River Love
Post by: Vampyros Adric on July 01, 2011, 10:10:26 pm
Those shoes are pretty special :D I think that River has always added a wonderful (and different) dynamic to the show (a lot due to Alex Kingston's charisma). I'll be interested to see how this new plot twist changes things :)


Title: Re: River Love
Post by: 2cajuman2 on July 02, 2011, 12:42:04 am
Pretty cool vid! Somehow I managed not to comment on this apparently even though I love River...

I love this one:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sBeqAeBorko


Title: Re: River Love
Post by: DAK on July 31, 2011, 09:23:07 am
I just found the ultimate River vid on youtube:


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lv_n4i_9c-M


I'm still laughing!   ;D