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Title: Torchwood Newbie
Post by: chrissymarieb on December 17, 2010, 03:46:13 pm
Well - I finally managed to start watching Torchwood.  I really enjoyed it!  The first episode mostly introduced the characters, explained what Torchwood is, and generally laid the foundation for the show.  But that is what most first episodes do, right?  I thought it was a fine opening to a series and it made me want to keep watching. 

I can definitely see how this show is more for adults as opposed to Doctor Who being a kids show (which I don't agree with but that's besides the point).  The preview for episode 2 seems to be all about sex so that should be interesting! 

So anyway, I have finally started watching it and so far so good :)  Feel free to join me in starting if you haven't already seen it or let me know what I am in for if you have. 


Title: Re: Torchwood Newbie
Post by: Sandiwich11 on December 17, 2010, 03:52:03 pm
I wasn't really a fan of the first series, I watched them as they were broadcast up to about 3/4 the way through Cyberwoman and then gave up on it entirely.  I've watched a couple more episodes with Icey recently and they were better than I remembered it being but I'm still not enthralled enough to rewatch the whole series.

I look forward to hearing your thoughts, I don't want to say too much about it yet or I'll spoil you, and I will probably join in more once you get to series 2 as I have seen all of that one ;D


Title: Re: Torchwood Newbie
Post by: Iceman on December 17, 2010, 08:25:14 pm
Yes, episode 2 is about a monster who gets its life force from people orgasming.

It is the most brilliant work of art in the history of entertainment :P


Title: Re: Torchwood Newbie
Post by: mel42 on December 19, 2010, 05:47:07 am
I decided to start watching the series again from the beginning. Maybe it's because I know the characters well by now but it's even better upon repeated viewings!  The first episode is a real favorite of mine and series 2 is also a lot of fun when they started to get into more of the character arcs.


Title: Re: Torchwood Newbie
Post by: chrissymarieb on December 21, 2010, 04:12:32 pm
Yes, episode 2 is about a monster who gets its life force from people orgasming.

It is the most brilliant work of art in the history of entertainment :P

Just watched this.  The episode was ok but really?  Really writers?  An alien that feeds on 'orgasmic energy?'  It's like they wrote that story line only because they could.    I am totally loving Jack though :)


Title: Re: Torchwood Newbie
Post by: TheDoctorDonna on December 21, 2010, 04:55:12 pm
I always thought it was like a gaseus version of the sex alien from that episode of Angel. If you watch closely enough, nearly all the earlier episodes of TW borrow elements from Buffy and Angel


Title: Re: Torchwood Newbie
Post by: chrissymarieb on December 23, 2010, 06:47:09 pm
Last night I watched Cyberwoman.  So far I am torn about this series.  I really want to like it, and I love Jack, but Gwen is kinda stupid.  I mean, who looks at an alien device and says 'I'll just push these buttons and see what will happen' and other such things.  She keeps doing things that don't make sense.  But maybe they are just trying to make the point that she is new to all this and there is a lot to learn. 

Then in Cyberwoman what was with Ianto?  I mean, I understand that what happened to his girlfriend sucks and that he loves her, but when is enough enough?  At what point was he going to realize that she was gone a long time ago and 'man up' if you will.  I don't know - maybe I am just jaded. 

I'll keep watching though in the hopes that it gets better :)


Title: Re: Torchwood Newbie
Post by: chrissymarieb on December 23, 2010, 11:52:10 pm
Ok - I feel the need to amend my earlier post.  I watched the next two episodes (Small Worlds and Countrycide) and really enjoyed them.  I don't know why but the stories were more engaging and the characters more believable - except that Ianto still seems like a whiny baby to me.  And I am kinda liking the Owen/Gwen thing, for now at least.  But we'll see :)


Title: Re: Torchwood Newbie
Post by: mel42 on December 24, 2010, 05:52:12 am
Yeah, seems like every character has their moments of making a *zomg huge mistake* especially the "new girl" and the "teaboy," but even the "techie" and "smart guy doctor" get told off by Jack for something they did. Usually because they went right ahead and did stuff without saying something to him first, and I'm sure everyone has done something like that, especially when they start a new job. Gwen just gets the blame a lot of the time from viewers because she's the newest and shows her emotions the most. Not to mention the whole thing with Jack recruiting her and spending time with her. But yes, Ianto does look unprepared as well, since he was like the personal assistant at Torchwood One and now he's put forward as one of the main defenders of Earth. 

It seemed like in "Ghost Machine" that the alien device started reacting as soon as someone picked it up, since the same thing happened when Owen and Bernie had it. And Owen and Gwen were drawn to each other, like they went through many traumatic experiences together and they needed some outlet to make it better. I think they would react in an extreme fashion when they had just been put in many dangerous situations. Though season 1 is a bit uneven due to the writers putting in as many things as they could think of to emphasize the "adult" nature of the program, and distinguish it from Doctor Who. I still think the show really got into gear by series 2. :)


Title: Re: Torchwood Newbie
Post by: Peri-Peri on December 24, 2010, 04:36:21 pm
Ive recently got to the end of series two of a rewatch marathon and I still think its brilliant. There are some episodes that arent as great but its really worth sticking with. Especially to get to series three. The show took a while to find its feet but once it got into its stride and found its way then it really got brilliant. The last few episodes of series 2 are especially good


Title: Re: Torchwood Newbie
Post by: chrissymarieb on January 01, 2011, 02:27:32 pm
So the last episode I watched was Random Shoes.  I have to say that you guys were right, it got off to a rocky start but now that I am well into the season it is going a lot better.  The stories are interesting and engaging and I am enjoying it much more than when I started.  Looking forward to finishing season 1 hopefully soon.


Title: Re: Torchwood Newbie
Post by: mel42 on January 01, 2011, 06:44:20 pm
Random Shoes was quite good, I think it fulfilled the goal of Torchwood to show what effect alien influence has on everyday human life. The Sarah Jane Adventures also has the theme of "life on earth can be an adventure too," so people can find something extraordinary even in everyday life. While the Torchwood themes tend to be darker than SJA or Doctor Who, they do at times bring out a sense of wonder about the universe.  8)


Title: Re: Torchwood Newbie
Post by: chrissymarieb on January 02, 2011, 01:51:36 pm
While the Torchwood themes tend to be darker than SJA or Doctor Who, they do at times bring out a sense of wonder about the universe.  8)

A sense of wonder about the universe is a good thing - part of why I love all this stuff :)


Title: Re: Torchwood Newbie
Post by: chrissymarieb on January 09, 2011, 01:01:43 pm
So, last week I managed to finish season 1 of Torchwood.  I feel that the season was uneven: some episodes were great and others were kinda 'meh'.  I really think that Owen is such an uneven character.  One moment he is all nice and in touch with his emotions and the next he is an ass.  But that could just be because he is a man (I kid, I kid :) )  I really thought that the final ep of the season was weak.  It started out great but then the monster at the end looked like the Balrog demon from Lord of the Rings and was so easy to defeat.  As soon as it was mentioned that it feeds on life I knew exactly what was going to happen; what Jack was going to do.

I liked that Jack said that only 'a certain kind of Doctor' would have convinced him to open the rift, but I thought it was a bit much to hear the TARDIS at the end - but it is what it is.

Everyone here has told me that this first season is the weakest, so I have high hopes that the story lines, and the acting honestly, improves moving forward.

On to season 2!


Title: Re: Torchwood Newbie
Post by: Aneurin on January 09, 2011, 01:27:00 pm
Series 1 is brilliant, but I think that series 2 is better. The characters all find their ground and the writers are all in full swing and know their direction a bit more. It also delves far deeper into the history of TW as an organisation and all of the characters are a lot more fleshed out, Owen especially. He gets a backstory that will make 'him' make a lot more sense to you as a viewer. The second half of the series is particularly brilliant with some of the best TW episodes ever IMO. We get some great guest stars including a turn from a former companion of the Doctor and the finale is a lot more satisfying, if not more heartbreaking than the first :)

There is only one episode of series 2 that I don't like and that is Meat. All the others are pretty great.


Title: Re: Torchwood Newbie
Post by: Hyacathusarillistad on January 11, 2011, 12:47:19 am
Torchwood definitely started off a bit rocky. The first season was iffy at best, and I wasn't too thrilled with the finale, and the grand total of five minutes of screen time the primary villain got. But season two kicked some major ass. And once you reach the third season, Children of Earth, your mind will be blown. :P


Title: Re: Torchwood Newbie
Post by: chrissymarieb on January 21, 2011, 01:13:53 pm
Last night I watched season 2 episode 1.  Wow - what a difference from season 1 already.  It really started off with a bang and was that a bit more humor I noticed?  I really enjoyed it.  And HELLO Capt. John Hart!  He's an interesting character and honestly, I am always happy to see Mr. Marsters :)

Looking forward to the next episode.  I hope that season 2 keeps up the good work.


Title: Re: Torchwood Newbie
Post by: TheDoctorDonna on January 21, 2011, 01:25:26 pm
Series 2 really covers over the mistakes from the first series and you can see a big difference. Its got some brilliant stories and the cast have really found their feet in their respective roles. If you liked the first series you will love the second


Title: Re: Torchwood Newbie
Post by: Tardis-Console on January 21, 2011, 01:34:19 pm
I really need to start watching series 2. Don't know why I havent got around to it yet


Title: Re: Torchwood Newbie
Post by: Nyki on January 21, 2011, 05:55:06 pm
Incidentally (and this probably isn't the right place to post this 8)) has anyone noticed that there was also a Captain John Hart in the Pertwee story The Sea Devils?  I'm sure RTD wouldn't have missed that.


Title: Re: Torchwood Newbie
Post by: Peri-Peri on January 21, 2011, 06:05:25 pm
RTD has stated he was named John because he was meant to be the opposite of Jack. The Hart part probably just sounded good


Title: Re: Torchwood Newbie
Post by: Aneurin on January 24, 2011, 01:39:52 pm
RTD has stated he was named John because he was meant to be the opposite of Jack. The Hart part probably just sounded good

I read that somewhere. I'd say it was probably a coincidence


Title: Re: Torchwood Newbie
Post by: Nyki on January 24, 2011, 06:09:01 pm
RTD has stated he was named John because he was meant to be the opposite of Jack. The Hart part probably just sounded good

I read that somewhere. I'd say it was probably a coincidence

You're probably right, but I wouldn't bet against RTD picking out an obscure piece of DW background.


Title: Re: Torchwood Newbie
Post by: chrissymarieb on January 28, 2011, 09:15:36 pm
Moving along with season 2, though SLOWLY.

Watched To The Last Man last night and I really enjoyed it.  A great Sci-fi story with some timey-wimey-ness and a good emotional core as well.  Looking forward to the rest of the season!


Title: Re: Torchwood Newbie
Post by: 2cajuman2 on January 29, 2011, 01:53:30 am
Oh I love Torchwood - What did you think of "Captain Jack Harkness"? it's totally my favourite ep

I've only recently bought S2 though, so it will be interesting to rewatch after so long :D

I remember loving S1 more on rewatch after S2... I think once you know the characters your opinion kind of changes :)


Title: Re: Torchwood Newbie
Post by: Oh-Wise-One on January 31, 2011, 05:21:44 pm
Moving along with season 2, though SLOWLY.

Watched To The Last Man last night and I really enjoyed it.  A great Sci-fi story with some timey-wimey-ness and a good emotional core as well.  Looking forward to the rest of the season!

That's a really good episode and one of my favourites of the series.


Title: Re: Torchwood Newbie
Post by: chrissymarieb on April 08, 2011, 12:23:18 pm
FINALLY managed to finish season 2 last night.  What a ride that was.  As mentioned in an earlier post, right out of the gate season 2 was better than season 1 but it definitely got better as it went along.  I would say that from Gwen's wedding on was just amazing.

From out of the Rain was great because although they gave it their all, they weren't able to save everyone.  I like that because that is how life is: sometimes we can't save everybody and the show wasn't afraid to go there.  Adrift was so touching, haunting, sad and I loved it.  Such an amazing episode.  And Fragments was a lot of fun because we got to find out where everyone came from.  It was nice to see how they all used to live and I was particularly surprised by Owen and Tosh's back stories.  They were not what I expected them to be but particularly in Owen's case it made a lot of sense as to why he carried on the way he did. 

Then the finale: Exit Wounds.  I honestly don't know if I can type about it without starting to cry again.  What an amazing, emotional episode!  I love how John started out playing the villain but once it was revealed what his part was in the devastation that his demeanor changed.  Great acting by Mr. Marsters.  And to think that it was all Grey behind it make it that much more devastating for Jack.  The pain and sorrow that Barrowman was able to convey just made me so so sad.  But as he says at the end, 'we will carry on'.

Really, really good moving stuff.  And now I will carry on to COE, and I will be sure to have tissues with me this time.


Title: Re: Torchwood Newbie
Post by: Iceman on April 08, 2011, 03:02:22 pm
Lol if you cried for s2, you're going to make a fifth ocean for season 3.


I maintain what I have said before:

Torchwood: Children of Earth is the best thing Russell T. Davies has written.


Title: Re: Torchwood Newbie
Post by: Vampyros Adric on April 09, 2011, 06:42:32 pm
Lol if you cried for s2, you're going to make a fifth ocean for season 3.



...and then some. I find CoE the most difficult piece of Sci Fi to watch (and I'm a heartless, soulless monster)

I maintain what I have said before:

Torchwood: Children of Earth is the best thing Russell T. Davies has written.

Icey, I think you are wrong....but for all the right reasons :)


Title: Re: Torchwood Newbie
Post by: poprockgeek on April 09, 2011, 07:27:23 pm
I think I'm going to have to rewatch CofE because I'm normally a massive cryer - I wept buckets at the last ep of series 2 - anything will set me off. But I had nothing on CofE - not that I didn't like I it because I really did, but I found myself more angry than sad. Maybe it was just my mood the day I watched it  :-\


Title: Re: Torchwood Newbie
Post by: 2cajuman2 on April 10, 2011, 02:38:00 am
CoE is one of the 3 Whovian world Eps that make me cry  :-\ Still haven't rewatched Day 5  :o  :'(

Didn't cry over Series 2 finale though, got sad, but not a tear was shed...

I think CoE was great writing etc, just, not Torchwood :)


Title: Re: Torchwood Newbie
Post by: chrissymarieb on April 15, 2011, 12:04:35 pm
So I have managed to watch days 1-3 of Children of Earth and may I just say: WOW.

From about the first minute of watching day 1 I knew that this was a different Torchwood.  The writing and production seemed to be above and beyond what had been done in past seasons.  And the story itself is AMAZING.  I was, and continue to be, blown away.

Now, many of you have told me that COE is where everything changes and that it's the show at its best, and although I believed all of you I didn't think that it would be THAT much of a difference.  It takes my breath away.

There is action, adventure, intrigue, emotion, humor - it has everything.  And as a parent, I am truly freaked out by what is happening with the children.  I cannot wait to see days 4 & 5 but at the same time I want to hold off as long as possible because I don't want it to end.


Title: Re: Torchwood Newbie
Post by: Aneurin on April 16, 2011, 07:20:52 pm
Brilliant, isn't it!

I love all of TW, but that series blew me away. You are lucky you can watch it in one go. When it first aired I was literally clawing the walls for the next episode each night.

There are lots of things that worry me about the upcoming series, but if it turns out half as good as COE I will get over them all, I'm sure!


Title: Re: Torchwood Newbie
Post by: TheDoctorDonna on April 16, 2011, 11:18:23 pm
COE is brilliant. I'm getting excited just for you watching it for the first time. I remember how brilliant it was the first time I watched and would love to go through that again, except for, as Aneurin said, waiting between episode. That was agony


Title: Re: Torchwood Newbie
Post by: Twisted-Sister on April 17, 2011, 01:54:05 am
I can't remember if its episode 4 or 5, but the cabinet meeting where they are making the decisions about the kids is the worst. Its utterly amazing but so ruthless and cut throat. Its quite scary because it all seems so realistic and you can totally imagine the thought process and how it would actually play out


Title: Re: Torchwood Newbie
Post by: Tardis-Console on April 26, 2011, 05:13:32 pm
Did you watch the last few eps yet? I watched COE for the first time a little while back and I was blown away.


Title: Re: Torchwood Newbie
Post by: chrissymarieb on April 27, 2011, 09:34:27 pm
I have watched Days 1-4.  Hopefully will get to watch 5 soon.  So far it is AMAZING!!!!!!!!!!

I have to say though, the whole Ianto thing...I knew what was going to happen because it's really had to avoid that kind of information, but I didn't know HOW it would happen.  When I saw it I thought 'really?  That's it?  that's what happens'?  I was underwhelmed.  But maybe that is because I had been waiting for it...


Title: Re: Torchwood Newbie
Post by: The Doc on April 27, 2011, 09:48:49 pm
Don't let his brigade hear you talk like that :P


Title: Re: Torchwood Newbie
Post by: poprockgeek on April 27, 2011, 09:55:33 pm
I have watched Days 1-4.  Hopefully will get to watch 5 soon.  So far it is AMAZING!!!!!!!!!!

I have to say though, the whole Ianto thing...I knew what was going to happen because it's really had to avoid that kind of information, but I didn't know HOW it would happen.  When I saw it I thought 'really?  That's it?  that's what happens'?  I was underwhelmed.  But maybe that is because I had been waiting for it...

That is exactly how I felt about the whole Ianto thing.


Title: Re: Torchwood Newbie
Post by: chrissymarieb on April 29, 2011, 01:18:53 pm
So last night I finally watched Day 5.  There were parts of it that were so unsettling that it was difficult to watch.  I think part of why it hit home for me is because I came to the realization that governments could actually do what they showed in this series.  We all trust them, but at any time they could be totally lying to us.  I also am now seriously considering home schooling my daughter :)

Such a powerful episode.  My heart went out to Frobisher and his family.  He was never truly a bad guy, and he just lost all hope.  What a tragedy.  And Jack's grandson!  The acting that John Barrowman did during that whole sequence was amazing.  You could see in his face how tore up he was over the decision he had to make.  How incredibly awful.  And his poor daughter having to stand there and watch it happen to her son.  So powerful and sad and scary and moving all at the same time.

An amazingly well done series.  They certainly have a lot to live up to for Miracle Day.  I am not sure how they can top it.

Special thanks to Iceman for watching with me and not giving anything away even though I kept asking questions :)


Title: Re: Torchwood Newbie
Post by: Roranicus on May 02, 2011, 11:50:27 am
So last night I finally watched Day 5.  There were parts of it that were so unsettling that it was difficult to watch.  I think part of why it hit home for me is because I came to the realization that governments could actually do what they showed in this series.  We all trust them, but at any time they could be totally lying to us.  I also am now seriously considering home schooling my daughter :)

Such a powerful episode.  My heart went out to Frobisher and his family.  He was never truly a bad guy, and he just lost all hope.  What a tragedy.  And Jack's grandson!  The acting that John Barrowman did during that whole sequence was amazing.  You could see in his face how tore up he was over the decision he had to make.  How incredibly awful.  And his poor daughter having to stand there and watch it happen to her son.  So powerful and sad and scary and moving all at the same time.

An amazingly well done series.  They certainly have a lot to live up to for Miracle Day.  I am not sure how they can top it.

Special thanks to Iceman for watching with me and not giving anything away even though I kept asking questions :)

I would love to be able to watch it all again as a newbie, especially the final two episodes. The scenes in parliament where they are deliberating about which of the kids to give away are truly chilling and Frobishers death really shocked me but was such a brilliant scene. I agree that Miracle Day has a lot to live up to