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1  Travels In Time And Space / The Invasion Of Time / Re: Missing Episode Discussion on: August 30, 2013, 11:56:20 am
I'm sorry, but I am going to defend myself here. Have you actually read my first post on this topic? I stated my disbelief and I asked the reporter of these claims to provide some evidence or explain to me why I should take his word on the matter. I didn't call him a liar, just said that I didn't believe it. I even went to length to explain why I didn't believe it and also how anybody without proof could come here and say the exact same thing. How is that breaking the rules that you've stated above?
2  Travels In Time And Space / The Invasion Of Time / Re: Missing Episode Discussion on: August 30, 2013, 11:30:23 am
And how exactly am I, or anyone else for that matter, supposed to stand here and say we don't believe him without saying anything about lies?
3  Travels In Time And Space / The Invasion Of Time / Re: Missing Episode Discussion on: August 30, 2013, 11:21:41 am
We can't talk about it at all?
4  Travels In Time And Space / The Invasion Of Time / Re: Missing Episode Discussion on: August 30, 2013, 11:18:47 am
And let's not forget, this isn't just about him saying 'X' is back. His discussions have included recovery efforts, junkings, the sale of the show abroad etc. Even if you can't believe his claims, he is bringing other interesting discussion to the forum. Stuff that is fact and is related to the show. What's wrong in that?

Nothing. That's why I haven't suggested he stop or is lying about it. In fact I found some of it interesting myself. Doesn't mean I believe a word of his story about a return though, and as you well know, that is where my issue lies
5  Travels In Time And Space / The Invasion Of Time / Re: Missing Episode Discussion on: August 30, 2013, 11:17:34 am
All it says is that people have a right to post wherever they want, about whatever they want. I don't regularly post in some sections of this forum, but you could hardly say that my absense is down to someone else posting something there. I chat where I want to chat about things that catch my interest. Everyone else is entitled to do the same without having their posting habits analysed by you!

So do you believe there is any truth to this rumour at all? Taking his claims out of it, do you believe that there could be some truth to it?

Is it possible? Of course. Is it likely? No. But what are you trying to prove? If I say yes I think there could be truth to it is still doesn't change the fact that I think The Rutan Host is piggybacking on it and not providing information from a 'source'.

Don't you think this makes it sound personal? You are willing to believe it is a possibility, just not from him!

That's not fair. You can't make out like I have a personal vendetta against this guy when I would react the same to anyone making the claims. Yes, I am willing to believe it is a possibility and no I am not willing to believe that based on this guys claims. I will believe it when the BBC say that they are returned or when someone shows up at my door and plays me a copy of something missing. Not before. Don't dare try and make this like I have some personal issue with the guy.
6  Travels In Time And Space / The Invasion Of Time / Re: Missing Episode Discussion on: August 30, 2013, 11:03:43 am
Where are all the regulars like PRG or The Doc or Nyki or PP or anyone else who would normally take an interest in the speculation here? My assumption is that they'd all rather not be brought into a debate they too likely think is a load of bull. I can't speak on their behalf of course....

And yet you have!!

Maybe they haven't read it, maybe they don't care, maybe they'd rather stay out, maybe it's none of your business. Why focus on who isn't posting here when there is enough people who have posted here to take hits at and quote. Why does it matter if 50 people or just one person believes it. He wanted conversation and to share his information and he has just done that. As well as telling him that he is a liar, you are also saying how he should go about his posts!

That isn't what I did and you know it! I didn't say how he should post, I simply suggested that if that is all he wanted then there were better, probably more productive ways to go about it that would have reaped more rewards for his aim. If I told you that you should watch Terror of the Zygons would I be making a suggestion or would I be telling you that you have to do it? This is absolutely no different whatsoever!

As for speaking for others, I was simply trying to prove a point. And I think I have. You look back at posts this month before this guy showed up. People having nice, speculative chat.

Peri-Peri
The Doc
Exterminate
Simone
Sparky
Tardis-Console
Nyki
Mr Chinn
Vampyros Adric
Saber
You!

All these people were discussing away their thoughts. This guy then shows up looking to have 'excited chats' about the same speculation, only he calls it a fact, and suddenly the only people posting here is him, you and Exterminate, both of you seemingly taken in immediately. Saber came in, showed some opposition and then also appeared to change his tune. Everyone else has stayed away, despite most of them still visiting and posting elsewhere. Doesn't that say something to you?
7  Travels In Time And Space / The Invasion Of Time / Re: Missing Episode Discussion on: August 30, 2013, 10:52:22 am
So do you believe there is any truth to this rumour at all? Taking his claims out of it, do you believe that there could be some truth to it?

Is it possible? Of course. Is it likely? No. But what are you trying to prove? If I say yes I think there could be truth to it is still doesn't change the fact that I think The Rutan Host is piggybacking on it and not providing information from a 'source'.
8  Travels In Time And Space / The Invasion Of Time / Re: Missing Episode Discussion on: August 30, 2013, 10:50:41 am
I can assure you that while I have read everything posted so far, I have not been watching and laughing and rubbing my hands in glee at this debate.

When I first posted I stated that I fully expected people to say I was talking crap, so I am not going to get wound up because someone has come out and said it. I can't expect, and don't really care either, if the whole forum believes me. The reason behind me sharing it isn't because I want glory and it's not because I want trouble. It's because I love the show and I want to discuss it. I have been lucky enough to come into information that I find awesome and exciting and I want to be able to chat about it to people who will also be excited about it. I didn't come here and state it as a fact and then sit back and watch everyone go at it. I joined in with discussions, answered questions that were asked of me, was honest about what I don't know or have little knowledge of and generally enjoyed the discussion.

I have been told something awesome and I believe it without question. I am relaying the information as it has been given to me and I can't be more honest than that. I truly have been told this. If I have been lied to then I am the only one who will be posting in this thread with egg on my face, but I am so sure that my person is telling me the truth that I am confident there will be no egg on face, just a load of happy fans and a wealth of cool discussions and debates and topics. What's the harm in that? I don't want to dupe, just share what I know and believe to be true and be as excited about it as any other fan. I know being the one to say it puts me in the firing line and you won't ever hear me gloat down the line when I am proved right. My intentions are decent, I assure you. I don't know what else I can say to prove that to you, even if you don't believe the actual content of my posts.

There is absolutely no harm in discussing this, and if indeed all you want is a place to chat about it, assuming you really do have insider information, why not just be happy you have the information and then discuss it here like it's still speculation with everyone else. You probably would have had more chats about it then. You may have noticed that since you placed your claims the number of people posting in this thread has dwindled down to you and two or three others. Where are all the regulars like PRG or The Doc or Nyki or PP or anyone else who would normally take an interest in the speculation here? My assumption is that they'd all rather not be brought into a debate they too likely think is a load of bull. I can't speak on their behalf of course, but it's interesting that people who post here a lot are suddenly avoiding a thread that is one of the most active.
9  Travels In Time And Space / The Invasion Of Time / Re: Missing Episode Discussion on: August 30, 2013, 10:39:36 am
You talk about respect, but I honestly don't think I have been disrespectful to him. Ok, calling him a liar isn't the most friendly thing I could do, but my belief is that he is lying and I can't relay that to you if I don't say as much. That is my opinion. I can be perfectly civil about it, which I think I have been, and still make my claim that all of this is rubbish.
10  Travels In Time And Space / The Invasion Of Time / Re: Missing Episode Discussion on: August 30, 2013, 10:22:57 am
You're asking me to provide the intentions of someone who isn't me, which you know I cannot do. I don't know why people do the things they do and what sort of kick they get out of them, but that doesn't change the fact that it happens. You are defending this guy as though we are in court and yet you have no basis to do so and he has said nothing (publicly, at least) that provides you with any more proof than what I have read, too, and yet you fail to see that.
11  Travels In Time And Space / The Invasion Of Time / Re: Missing Episode Discussion on: August 30, 2013, 10:14:20 am
Touché!

But no, I wouldn't. Because the fact of the matter is that, as sad as it is, he is more likely to be lying than we are to be watching 90+ missing episodes of Doctor Who this time next year.
12  Travels In Time And Space / The Invasion Of Time / Re: Missing Episode Discussion on: August 30, 2013, 10:12:17 am
It may be dramatic, but it doesn't make it any less true!
13  Travels In Time And Space / The Invasion Of Time / Re: Missing Episode Discussion on: August 30, 2013, 10:05:48 am
People who want to take the ****, cause arguments, tell lies, don't always need a reason. Sometimes they just do it. Stop being so naïve! You don't have to have a reason to be a troublemaker, some people just enjoy it. Ever heard of the Yoko Factor? Where is he now? Why isn't he here defending his stance? He comes, stirs the pot and now the debate is going on and he is nowhere to be seen. I wouldn't be at all surprised to find out he is lurking, reading and laughing along that we have taken this so seriously, either in belief or disbelief, that this has descended to trading blows.

Look, I am being intensely sceptical here and seeing the worst case scenario, and there is every chance that he is being honest or passing on information that is wrong, etc. but I think that the more likely thing going on here is that he is at the very least pulling information from around the net and posting it here as his own. I won't try to work out his reasoning, but just like he 'believes' that these stories are coming back, I 'believe' that he isn't being entirely honest with us here, and probably other people elsewhere. And so you are right, he can probably do nothing to convince me
14  Travels In Time And Space / The Invasion Of Time / Re: Missing Episode Discussion on: August 30, 2013, 09:48:53 am
It's not a case of not being able to win. There is nothing to win. I just like some hard facts with my rumours and this guy has given us none. You think stuff like this is new? The Blackpool Hoaxer, The Rogue Cyberman, The Private Collector, all well known stories that have done the rounds over the last ten years, plus countless others, who have made this **** up just for kicks or notoriety. People do it. It's not nice, but they do anyway. Jeez, in the 1990's the BBC got so taken in with one guy's lies they even got Michael Craze in to record and introduction to The Tenth Planet in anticipation of it finally being complete with the return of episode 4. It was all a big hoax and even the BBC fell for it, so someone trying to pull something on a forum like this isn't so hard to believe is it? I'd wager that it is a lot more plausible than some guy claiming his friend has been sitting down watching episodes of a show lost for 45 years!!
15  Travels In Time And Space / The Invasion Of Time / Re: Missing Episode Discussion on: August 30, 2013, 09:32:39 am
I read his reasons, believe me, and all they made me think is that somewhere like this is easier to get away with it than somewhere like Outpast Skaro or Gallifrey Base, where they would probably laugh him out of the thread. If you are going to try pull a hoax, do it where you are less likely to get it torn to shreds so that it can last longer.

And you're right. Spoilers leak and if this is true then no doubt it would leak, too. But why him, why here and why now? Why should we believe he has done anything more than reading other peoples posts and repost them as his own information? Even if this rumour is all true and we will all be sitting down to enjoy Marco Polo in six months time, he hasn't given us a shred of evidence that he even has a 'source', let alone that what this supposed source is saying is actually true.

Seriously, wake up! Stop being stupid and see this for what it is. A wind up!
16  Travels In Time And Space / The Invasion Of Time / Re: Missing Episode Discussion on: August 30, 2013, 09:20:36 am
And it doesn't seem odd to you that someone would come here to make that announcement? There are forums out there for Doctor Who with 50,000+ members and you think someone will come here to make an announcement, not that they've heard a rumour, but that they have actual first hand evidence! Someone with that level of spoiler comes to this tiny corner of fandom with a handful of posters to share something that if true would be the biggest thing to hit Doctor Who in years. Does that sound likely to you?
17  Travels In Time And Space / The Invasion Of Time / Re: Missing Episode Discussion on: August 30, 2013, 09:13:54 am
That's not what I said. But someone who thinks it's only a possibility also doesn't say:

pleeeeeease can you give us some sort of info on how long we will be waiting?

Doesn't sound like your holding on to the fence to me.
18  Travels In Time And Space / The Invasion Of Time / Re: Missing Episode Discussion on: August 30, 2013, 09:11:16 am
Yes. I think that's exactly what is happening. People want to believe stuff so bad they get stupid over it!
19  Travels In Time And Space / The Invasion Of Time / Re: Missing Episode Discussion on: August 30, 2013, 09:08:19 am
Erm, maybe he could give us some proof. That'd be a good start, don't you think?

Why are you so blind?! What exactly has he said here that is new information? You go back a few pages before he began posting and look at the updates that Exterminate posted about all of the rumours doing the rounds. He spends god knows however long putting things together from all over the web, posting them here and saying 'these are all the current rumours', even goes as far as to say which one is more prominent than the other and then suddenly we have some guy coming in, posting the 'popular' stuff from that post and he gets everyone's attention by saying 'FACT!'. And even if he didn't see it first here, these are legitimate rumours doing the rounds so who is to say he hasn't just read them elsewhere and then posted them here to get a bit of glory out of it!

Why is this not obvious to you!!! Are you blind?
20  Travels In Time And Space / The Invasion Of Time / Re: Missing Episode Discussion on: August 30, 2013, 08:46:48 am
Always obnoxious? Oh, of course!

I'm sorry, but someone comes here proclaiming to have insider information and everyone is just jumping on board because he says he has a source!! It's ridiculous. As happy and fluffy as you want the world to be, people do just lie for the sake of it and there is nothing in these posts to tell me that this guy isn't doing just that!

If me pointing that out is bringing the thread down then you're obviously willing to believe anything that's written without question.
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