General Spoilery Discussion Part 1

[Roranicus]

fandom is going to combust

What? Again?

I can see it now. Half of fandom punching the air and saying they knew it all along, half of them saying Moff has killed the show and a few scragglers wondering what the hell is going on

[BlueRose]

If it turns out she used to be the War Chief and has regenerated into a woman, fandom is going to combust

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[Peri-Peri]

If it turns out she used to be the War Chief and has regenerated into a woman, fandom is going to combust

I APPROVE OF THIS OUTCOME

The combustion or the M/F regen?

[BlueRose]

If it turns out she used to be the War Chief and has regenerated into a woman, fandom is going to combust

I APPROVE OF THIS OUTCOME

The combustion or the M/F regen?

Well, the War Chief has actually been seen by much of the fandom as one of the Master's regenerations. If this isn't the case, there will be combustion on MULTIPLE levels.

Also, would serve some of the fandom right for thinking this is some sort of soap opera with the Doctor having a wife. *eyeroll*

[DAK]

It's been a soap opera since series 1; series 2 was especially so.  The 'wife' concept came about while RTD was show runner.  I doubt Moffat would have got that past RTD without his approval.  He's the one who essentially turned the Doctor into an intergalactic playboy - boffing the Queen?  Really??   

[BlueRose]

It's been a soap opera since series 1; series 2 was especially so.  The 'wife' concept came about while RTD was show runner.  I doubt Moffat would have got that past RTD without his approval.  He's the one who essentially turned the Doctor into an intergalactic playboy - boffing the Queen?  Really??   

And yet he's persisted with it through S5, so I don't think it was RTD. Also, Reinette and River weren't soap opera-y? The man came from shows like Coupling. He's even mentioned during interviews he's not getting away from romance angles and plots and thinks the Doctor goes around doing everything in the universe cause he's a typical man, so RTD really had nothing to do with the playboy thing. But Moffat did and does.

[DAK]

And yet he's persisted with it through S5, so I don't think it was RTD. Also, Reinette and River weren't soap opera-y? The man came from shows like Coupling. He's even mentioned during interviews he's not getting away from romance angles and plots and thinks the Doctor goes around doing everything in the universe cause he's a typical man, so RTD really had nothing to do with the playboy thing. But Moffat did and does.

It was RTD's show for the whole Rose story: the lovey dovey hand holding in series 1, the cat fight in "School Reunion" with Sarah Jane, Doomsday where he "burned up a star to say goodbye" (RTD wrote that drivel), the Doctor moping over Rose during series 3, the unrequited love thing with Martha.  RTD wrote "Journey's End" where Rose gets her Doctor boy toy clone.  RTD wrote the scene at the beginning of "The End of Time" where the Doctor blabs on about the virgin queen and getting married, so yeah, that playboy bit was his.

I think it's very unfair to accuse or blame Moffat for any of that stuff.  He wasn't the show runner; ultimately it was RTD's decision to put that stuff into the show. 

Yes River can be considered "soap-opera-y", but in my opinion anyways she's an interesting character with an interesting story.  I'll take her story over a 900+ year old Time Lord lusting after teenage Earth girls any day.

 

[Aneurin]

If it turns out she used to be the War Chief and has regenerated into a woman, fandom is going to combust

I APPROVE OF THIS OUTCOME

I have to admit, I will be a combuster. I dont care what race a time lord regenerates into, but the Doctor (and time lords in general) should remain the same sex. If the Doctor was a man before, he should remain a man now. Assuming he comes back. I read on another a forum a long time ago a debate about whether the Doctor should ever become a woman and lots of fans said they wouldnt mind, but when it was suggested that The Rani or Romana became a man everyone went mad saying it was a stupid idea. It cant be one rule for one and one for another. I think sex should remain the same for all regens.

[Peri-Peri]

I am with you 200%. Usually I am quite liberal with canon and Who Lore, but I think men should be men and women should be women. I know it could be easily explained as part of the Time Lord make up, but I still think it would fail and be awful

[Tardis-Console]

I agree. As most of you know I havent seen much of DW, but since I have been coming here I have been learning more, especially about the classic series and I would hate the Doctor to suddenly become a woman. It would just seem like a gimmick. And not a good one at that

[Sandiwich11]

Just read a post by Timeboy on GB about the scenes in other parts of the TARDIS.  It looks like it's just going to be corridors rather than actual rooms at the present, they have filmed them in an old steel works.  No photos but it seems like it will be rusty and very metalic rather than polished and pretty like the console room.

[The Doc]

I had word the other day that they were adding another part of the TARDIS, but I was led to believe they had built a set. I wrote it in here somewhere, but I cant remember where exactly. I think I was telling Peri about it though. If they have filmed in a steelworks, then my guess is it was filmed in Port Talbot. About 35 minutes outside of Cardiff. It has the largest steel works in Europe if I am not mistaken. Not sure if they would allow filming there, but it is the only steel works I know in the general South Wales area. And if they did film there I sympathise with them. Just being anywhere near that place smells so bad. Its about 3 or 4 miles from my mums and you can often smell it that far out. Its rank, so I cant imagine how bad it must be actually in there.

[Sandiwich11]

I've done a few gigs in PT, it's nearly as bad as the smell of Slough lol

[The Doc]

Ive not been to Slough so I cant comment, but if its anywhere near as bad as PT then it must be pretty bad

[BlueRose]

I am with you 200%. Usually I am quite liberal with canon and Who Lore, but I think men should be men and women should be women. I know it could be easily explained as part of the Time Lord make up, but I still think it would fail and be awful

I have to agree with you there.

[BlueRose]

If it turns out she used to be the War Chief and has regenerated into a woman, fandom is going to combust

I APPROVE OF THIS OUTCOME

I have to admit, I will be a combuster. I dont care what race a time lord regenerates into, but the Doctor (and time lords in general) should remain the same sex. If the Doctor was a man before, he should remain a man now. Assuming he comes back. I read on another a forum a long time ago a debate about whether the Doctor should ever become a woman and lots of fans said they wouldnt mind, but when it was suggested that The Rani or Romana became a man everyone went mad saying it was a stupid idea. It cant be one rule for one and one for another. I think sex should remain the same for all regens.

And that'd be the only reason I'd be against the idea, to be frank.

It's one step closer to them jumping the shark and doing the Doctor as a chick.

[Sandiwich11]

lol, why do people have to be so negative over a possible theory XD

[BlueRose]

I think it's very unfair to accuse or blame Moffat for any of that stuff.  He wasn't the show runner; ultimately it was RTD's decision to put that stuff into the show. 

So it's unfair to accuse Moffat of having written him as having abandoned Rose, whom he was supposed to have been falling in love with during that season, for some chick he just met a few hours prior?

It's unfair for him to continue the wifey jokes with River?
 
Seriously, I just don't like Moffat's writing. Everything I've seen him do is what I don't like for DW. RTD had the Rose plot and went over the top with it, yeah--I agree on that. But at least he kept it consistent. And Moffat needs to take a page from him with River because he's doing with her what RTD did with Rose and why people were screaming at him to stop, including me--and Rose was my fav companion!

[BlueRose]

lol, why do people have to be so negative over a possible theory XD

Eh, it's fandom. We tend to have strong opinions.

[Exterminate]

I agree. As most of you know I havent seen much of DW, but since I have been coming here I have been learning more, especially about the classic series and I would hate the Doctor to suddenly become a woman. It would just seem like a gimmick. And not a good one at that

God yes. The only reason they would ever do it is for gimmick. It wouldnt get taken seriously and I am sure enough of that that I would bet my collection of cyberporn on it

Time Lords should never change sex! Period