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« on: May 14, 2011, 07:46:16 pm »

The Doctor mentioned some guy and said he was able to regenerate into men and women, but then implied that he wasn't a Time Lord. Did I mishear something because now I'm not sure if they can or not? Do you think its now certain that they can change gender, and how do you feel about it either way?

I personally hate it. Well I don't hate it, I just never want to see it
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« Reply #1 on: May 14, 2011, 07:51:34 pm »

It must NEVER happen to the Doctor. Other than that, I don't care
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« Reply #2 on: May 14, 2011, 09:09:24 pm »

Yes, he definitely said that the Corsair was a Time Lord and had been both sexes.  I definitely hope that's not setting anything up.
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« Reply #3 on: May 14, 2011, 09:22:44 pm »

No! it just wouldn't be right if the Doctor was a woman!
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« Reply #4 on: May 14, 2011, 09:26:48 pm »

Yes, he definitely said that the Corsair was a Time Lord and had been both sexes.  I definitely hope that's not setting anything up.

I'm with Nyki here. I heard that he was a Time Lord - one of the good ones - & had been both genders.

Fine let others be able to regenerate into both but not the Doctor - please, not him.
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« Reply #5 on: May 14, 2011, 09:30:15 pm »

It did seem there to open the possibility in the audiences mind Undecided
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« Reply #6 on: May 14, 2011, 10:00:21 pm »

Not to sound sexist, but if they made The Doctor a woman, I'd walk away.

It's fine to say it by all means, but having him become a her is a no fly zone for me.
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« Reply #7 on: May 14, 2011, 11:31:44 pm »

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I wouldn't like it either.
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« Reply #8 on: May 14, 2011, 11:35:05 pm »

I'm going to go against the grain here. I actually wouldn't mind. But there are two warnings I would say;

1) If you dare do this thing you absolutely have to get the right actress. I can't think of one but she has got to be beyond sensational

2) If you dare do this thing you have to write it better than anything that has been written before.

I suspect that I have, probably, the most liberal views in fandom on this and I would advise caution and tell them to think very carefully and decide not to do it. 
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« Reply #9 on: May 15, 2011, 02:02:09 am »

I'm kinda with Vampyros Adric on this. My natural instinct is against it, but if the scripts and the actor were sufficiently awesome, I think I could be persuaded.

There's nothing in the tv scripts (as far as I'm aware - I could well be wrong) continuity-wise that would prevent it, but it would go so much against people's established view of the show and the character that if they were ever to do it they would have to do it so well that any subsequent arguments against it would seem absurd. A very big ask, but not impossible.

So if anyone were ever to take the decision to do it, they would have to truly believe that they were the best scriptwriter that the show had ever had: and not only would they have to believe it, they'd have to be right.

Truly great writing, in Doctor Who and elsewhere, is writing that makes us think that things that had previously seemed impossible, or that we just would never have thought of, are entirely plausible. To convincingly turn the Doctor into a woman would take the best writing in the entire history of the show. I'm not going to say it's impossible, but it would take something truly miraculous to make it work.
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« Reply #10 on: May 15, 2011, 12:41:49 pm »

I've said this time and time again to some of my mates, if a Time Lord can change gender then how can marriage happen?Huh? Surely right if a time lord is born male they stay male or vice versa don't you think?Huh? Wouldn't it be weird if your Time Lord husband suddenly became a women?Huh? No can't happen with the Doctor I'm sorry but if he becomes a women I'm gonna stop watching it cause its not right
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« Reply #11 on: May 15, 2011, 03:09:27 pm »

I'm with TheFifthDoctor. I will put up with pretty much anything with this show because I love it, but I would give it up if we had a woman Doctor
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« Reply #12 on: May 15, 2011, 05:39:49 pm »

On one of the classic DVD extras (Time and The Rani i think). They talked about how they might 'save' the show in the mid 1980s. As part of that they actually got the 'creator' of Doctor Who, Sydney Newman back and asked for his suggestions. His first suggestion was to re-cast the part of the Doctor as a woman. So it is not a new thing for this to be suggested - it has been kicking around for well over 20 years.

Just be very very careful would be my advice. I think Who fans would actually give the first episode a go (well perhaps only me and Dame Roger lol) so that first episode would have to be better than anything we have seen before. It is possible - look at how well Sapphire did in Sapphire and Steel - but I wouldn't fancy being the show runner who risked it.
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« Reply #13 on: May 15, 2011, 05:50:32 pm »

The Doctor is a man and should stay that way. If the people upstairs ever made him regenerate into a woman it would be purely because they could and it would be self indulgent crap and not to make the stories better. There is no reason why he should ever become a woman when there will always be a male actor to take the role. Its like on Buffy. Slayers are always women. 'One girl in all the world...' and when a slayer dies another woman is chosen. How lame would it have been if some dude rolled up in town as the new slayer? Why change something so ingrained just for the sake of doing it? The thing is Moffat seems to like being the one who says 'look what I can do, I can change what I like' and while its well within his rights, its wouldnt surprise me at all if he tried it
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« Reply #14 on: May 15, 2011, 06:15:01 pm »

Don't forget spoof or no moff already wrote the doctor as a woman in curse of the fatal death for red nose day
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« Reply #15 on: May 15, 2011, 07:41:00 pm »

No way. I can't think of one single reason why it would be a good idea to make the Doctor a woman. It wouldnt work, no matter how good the actress or how good the writing
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« Reply #16 on: May 15, 2011, 10:01:24 pm »

I can see what VA & DR are saying, and I'd certainly give it a chance.  I think, although it's never been said in so many words, it's clear that Time Lords are normally single sex - not one single regeneration seen on the show (the Doctor, the Master, Borusa, Romana, Kanpo and probably a few others) have ever been cross-gender, and there seem plenty of reasons why they shouldn't be.  If it happened, it would need to be an anomaly but, as Roranicus said, I can't think of any reason to do it other than "because we can".

If it happened, though, I'd hope to be proved wrong.
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« Reply #17 on: May 16, 2011, 11:25:42 am »

I have to say, I am with the majority. I don't want to see the Doctor (or any other Time Lord, really) changing sex. I can't think of a single reason why it would benefit the show or story and I don't think it would ever really work. As Roranicus said, it would just be a case of people doing it because they could
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« Reply #18 on: May 16, 2011, 07:08:32 pm »

I'd be against it too, but here are some arguments that I don't know what for but post them anyway:

- In the War Games, the Doctor has choice between several regenerations, which means that (with help?), Time Lords can choose their own new body. Maybe the Corsair consciously chose to be a woman.

- The Doctor himself doesn't seem to be the best at creating his own new body as he is always surprised when he sees himself the first time.
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« Reply #19 on: May 16, 2011, 10:36:53 pm »

- The Doctor himself doesn't seem to be the best at creating his own new body as he is always surprised when he sees himself the first time.

My interpretation has always been that the Doctor's regenerations are always "traumatic", so he doesn't get a choice.  Certainly the 2nd Doctor, K'anpo and Romana all seem to suggest that ideally Time Lords can choose their new bodies (although I can't believe in the try-out system Romana uses).  That doesn't mean the choice doesn't have limitations, though.  Then again, the new body might have to "match" the Time Lord in some way, and there could be situations where the opposite gender is a better match.  I can't see that being true of the Doctor, though.
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