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« on: May 28, 2011, 08:34:14 pm »

It's only just clicked with me. The Doctor's switched places, so she must have told the real Doctor that he is going to die and that she saw it because he invited them to watch.

Not sure where I am going with this exactly, but surely it's important
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« Reply #1 on: May 28, 2011, 08:37:58 pm »

Yeah he knows - he said something about it but I can't remember what. Will have to re-watch.

And yeah I think it will definitely be important.
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« Reply #2 on: May 28, 2011, 08:41:20 pm »

Thing is, we knew he must have found out somehow and at some point in order to set up the events of the past in which they see him die. It was way too throwaway though in this episode so I think it will be addressed on a larger scale at a later date
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« Reply #3 on: May 28, 2011, 08:55:00 pm »

So if it was the real Doctor she told, then it was the real Doctor who strangled her?

When did they change places anyway? I thought it was when they kept ducking behind that console, but didnt that come after?
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« Reply #4 on: May 28, 2011, 08:56:50 pm »

No that was before the strangling.

I assumed it was when they were behind the console as well - can't think where they could have done it earlier.
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« Reply #5 on: May 28, 2011, 08:59:38 pm »

So even still, if the swap had taken place, why strangle her?
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« Reply #6 on: May 28, 2011, 09:07:26 pm »

To make her believe he was the fake? Possibly  Undecided
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« Reply #7 on: May 28, 2011, 09:14:42 pm »

So even still, if the swap had taken place, why strangle her?
To make her believe he was the fake? Possibly  Undecided

It was an odd way to try and convince her though, especially as she seemed quite convinced already.
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« Reply #8 on: May 28, 2011, 09:16:28 pm »

Hmm ... maybe they just wanted a stronger reaction out of her - they certainly got it.
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« Reply #9 on: May 28, 2011, 09:26:35 pm »

Yea, you're probably right.

PRG for some reason I just can't bring myself to ever disagree with you. It always feels wrong Tongue Grin
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« Reply #10 on: May 28, 2011, 09:27:58 pm »

Really?! I'm sure you'll find something  Smiley
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« Reply #11 on: May 28, 2011, 09:29:42 pm »

Haha probably Tongue
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« Reply #12 on: May 28, 2011, 10:26:38 pm »

Well the Doctor has been acting a little out of character all series, so perhaps it isnt so shocking that he decided to throttle her
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« Reply #13 on: May 28, 2011, 10:58:55 pm »

Yeah he knows - he said something about it but I can't remember what. Will have to re-watch.

Was it when Amy asks what happens next and the Doctor says something like:

Well, my death arrives, I suppose. But this one, we're not invited to.
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« Reply #14 on: May 28, 2011, 11:03:44 pm »

Yeah that was it  Smiley
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« Reply #15 on: May 29, 2011, 12:35:38 am »

My time to add screenies into the mix -

Amy telling him:



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« Reply #16 on: May 29, 2011, 12:01:15 pm »

This I think has got to be the catalyst that makes the events of the first episode come into play. We knew it was never going to be a well kept secret. The Doctor had to know that he was going to die in order to set it all up in the first place.

This episode though has proved to me without a doubt that it isnt a Ganger we see dying on the beach. That Doctor was zapped and began a regen but there was no sign of melting or anything like that. I could be wrong, but I think that is now ruled out
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« Reply #17 on: May 29, 2011, 02:21:28 pm »

Well the Doctor has been acting a little out of character all series, so perhaps it isnt so shocking that he decided to throttle her

Well, as I mentioned in another thread, I think the Doctor had scanned Amy and knew she was Flesh by then, which might have affected his reaction to her.
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« Reply #18 on: May 29, 2011, 03:51:02 pm »

And he was angry at her telling him, we knew the Doc would get angry when he found out, he was pretending to be Flesh so he was outbalancing on purpose and then he felt the Flesh questioning "Why?" and just flipped, I think it complemented the Amy believing in the other, however damaging for the future, they needed a moment where Amy lost trust in real Doc and trusted fake Doc to have the emotional farewell later on

Sorry, must stop dissecting the reasoning and plot point
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« Reply #19 on: May 29, 2011, 03:57:37 pm »

And he was angry at her telling him, we knew the Doc would get angry when he found out, he was pretending to be Flesh so he was outbalancing on purpose and then he felt the Flesh questioning "Why?" and just flipped, I think it complemented the Amy believing in the other, however damaging for the future, they needed a moment where Amy lost trust in real Doc and trusted fake Doc to have the emotional farewell later on

Sorry, must stop dissecting the reasoning and plot point

I don't agree with this at all! It had nothing to do with Amy losing trust in the real Doctor. The whole point of the conversation was that she was planning on using the Ganger Doctor as a decoy so that he, the one she believed wasn't properly the Doctor, would go and die in the place of her Doctor. It was emphasizing how differently she saw the two
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