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« Reply #20 on: January 16, 2013, 12:15:49 pm »

I'm not as keen on the Peladon stories as others seem to be. I thought this was ok, but nothing particularly brilliant.
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« Reply #21 on: January 17, 2013, 11:17:37 am »

The Keys of Marinus may not have made my list, but Curse is brilliant and I'd have placed it higher, for sure.
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« Reply #22 on: January 18, 2013, 12:38:31 pm »

I actually like both Peladon stories. The later one isn't brilliant but it's not awful either.
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« Reply #23 on: January 19, 2013, 04:32:51 pm »

I think the Curse of Peladon is great. Its a fun story with some really interesting characters. How you're managing to choose just 50 and then order them is beyond me. I'd never be able to. I love too many.
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« Reply #24 on: January 22, 2013, 11:41:46 am »

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The Mark of the Rani


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The Mark of the Rani has always been a story that I have considered to be overlooked. Fans are quick to criticise it but I think there is a lot in there that it has going for it. It was the first story in nearly 20 years that featured famous historical people (which is a bonus for me because I love the historicals), it introduced the world to The Rani, another renegade Timelord in the vein of the Master, and gives both the Doctor and Peri lots to do throughout, letting them take on their roles with gusto and put in excellent performances despite some perhaps dodgy dialogue.

As with many stories like this, I think that some of the criticism snowballs and if you say something is bad for long enough eventually people will start to believe it, but this is one of those stories that you have to watch with fresh eyes and an open mind to fully appreciate just how good it is. That doesn't mean it isn't without fault. As I said previously, some of the dialogue is very clunky. Pip and Jane Baker have a tendency to make characters sound very awkward saying things you know no ordinary character would say, as though they have just swallowed down the Oxford English Dictionary, despite being uneducated miners and such. It's even more annoying when you hear the writers on the extras and realise that even they don't talk like it. I've no doubt that once they write a script they then sit there with a thesaurus replacing words. Another thing that I know irks a lot of people is that the Master is back with absolutely no explanation as to how or why he survived his last meeting with the Doctor. Having previously been burned to a crisp, he is now back to his normal self with nothing to tie the stories together.

The Rani is a brilliant character and brilliantly played, you can see it coming through, but there are often times when it seems as though they have given the Masters lines to her and you can't tell them apart. However, she still works. For me at least. The story isn't the greatest and that is why it is not higher up on my list. However, unlike a lot of fans this is still a story that I really enjoy and happily rewatch when the mood takes me, unlike a lot of stories that only see the light of day when I am rewatching a whole season. Check it out, see for yourself, but try to go in unbiased.
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« Reply #25 on: January 22, 2013, 08:35:58 pm »

Your enthusiasm is awesome, but this story just isn't. I think the Rani is brilliant, she was just stuck in some not so great stories. I don't hate this, but it wouldn't have made my list.
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« Reply #26 on: January 23, 2013, 02:23:45 pm »

I love this story. I know I am in the few but I think it's great and a great entry to the list.
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« Reply #27 on: January 24, 2013, 12:16:18 pm »

Pip and Jane Baker are terrible writers. Not bad for ideas, just awful with the execution and providers of some of the clunkiest dialogue the show has seen. The idea of the Rani is a good one. There's a lot that could be done with her. Instead they wrote a female Master. Despite it all though, I do love this serial.
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« Reply #28 on: January 25, 2013, 02:02:51 pm »

I love it. I love both Rani stories. The writers on the commentaries are really annoying but I think the Rani is brilliant and I want her to come back.
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« Reply #29 on: January 28, 2013, 02:59:01 am »

This story could have been better, but I love it anyway. I agree totally with what you've said about the writers.
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« Reply #30 on: January 29, 2013, 12:32:58 pm »

I love it. We're a funny bunch on this forum. We always seem to be in support of the things that fandom in general isn't keen on.
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« Reply #31 on: January 30, 2013, 01:27:20 pm »

Love the Rani but can take or leave the story, tbh.
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« Reply #32 on: January 31, 2013, 03:59:29 pm »

Not one of my favourites, but as others have said, the Rani is great.
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« Reply #33 on: February 01, 2013, 01:53:14 pm »

I saw this for the first time recently and I loved it. I thought it was brilliant fun. Not the best script ever written but if you don't take it too seriously it's a good watch.
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« Reply #34 on: February 03, 2013, 11:07:25 am »

I'm not really keen on this one. I don't like the idea of the Rani, I think the Master is reduced to a pantomime turn. Pip & Jane Baker are ok as writers (I liked their work on Trial of a Time Lord) but this just doesn't get the juices flowing.

I hate being negative so I will finish with a positive. I loved the Rani's Tardis Smiley
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« Reply #35 on: February 05, 2013, 11:52:06 pm »

I'm not really keen on this one. I don't like the idea of the Rani

How can you not like the Rani but be a fan of Adric? This must be some form of mind manipulation, surely Grin
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« Reply #36 on: August 07, 2013, 03:15:01 pm »

I loved the Rani's Tardis Smiley

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« Reply #37 on: August 15, 2013, 01:01:47 am »

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The Gunfighters


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30th April - 21st May 1966

To some people it may seem as though my 'best' list is getting worse, and I imagine there aren't many people who would have expected to see the inclusion of The Gunfighters on the list, but I am going to fight it's corner nonetheless.

There are a great many people in fandom who like things to stay the same. They don't like when things change and they don't like when the formula is played with, and that is something that this story is guilty of. It tries something different. In fact, the same can be said of much of the third season, which overall was a lot less well recieved. Much of this is blamed on Jackie Lane/Dodo, but more of that later.

Back in the day, many stories which are held in high regard today, such as the Romans, recieved a very lukewarm reception due to the attempt at humour within the story. Undeterred, the show was at it again with The Gunfighters, and while it may not have gone down well at the time, I think it is something that the show should be commended for. Unlike many stories that try and fail to raise a smile, this is a story that has some genuinly funny moments and doesn't take itself too seriously. There is a sense that the cast know they aren't appearing in the best story ever written and so decide to just have fun with it, and it really shows in the characters. The plot, sometimes a little thin, is mostly very good and it keeps you entertained for the run. The actors play their parts well, even though some are perhaps a little on the 2D side and the sets are brilliant. On a show like DW where the budget was bare minimum, you'd be surprised by just how well this stands up in terms of the look and feel, and the story really wasn't constrained by the studio space.

But there are problems with it too, I admit. As I said before, some of the characters can come off a bit two dimensional and the writers have absolutely nailed every cliché you can imagine when writing some of them. The biggest annoyance for me though, is The Ballad of the Last Chance Saloon. Again, they were trying something new, and that should be applauded, but the song is dreadful. It bookends each episode and creeps up on you in the middle of them too and it just sounds bad. The words are bad, the music is bad, and Lynda Barron, who can act the socks of most people, can't say the same of her singing. If it weren't for the song, this would have probably been higher up my list, but it's such a huge part of the overall story that it's unavoidable and get's irritating by the second episode. Other than that though, a story I like a whole lot.

As an aside, there is a period of about 6 months in 1966 when everything that was wrong with the show suddenly became the fault of Jackie Lane/Dodo. The stories were bad, the sets were rubbish, the episode was delayed by the news, etc. It's an easy scapegoat to use, and I have heard her be blamed for a lot, including the fact that many don't like this story, but as someone who has watched it a good few times over, I have to say that I think she puts in a good performance here (and to be honest I think she does most of the time, aside from some accent issues), so as well as defending The Gunfighters, while I am on my soapbox I will defend Dodo too. Ignore the rumours and watch it. You'll see both she and the story are actually pretty good.
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« Reply #38 on: August 16, 2013, 10:51:47 am »

Didn't expect to see The Gunfighters on the list, I'll be honest, though I agree that it's nowhere near as bad as people make out.
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« Reply #39 on: August 19, 2013, 12:37:38 pm »

I quite like the Gunfighters, but there wouldn't have been any room for it on my list I don't think. It's enjoyable enough if you don't plan on taking any of it seriously, but there's just too many things wrong with it to make it onto a top 50 list, in my opinion.
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